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Author Topic: Grosses for RETURN OF THE KING -- nowhere to be found? Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 04-21-2004 07:42 AM                     Just checked the weekend box office results to do my usual comparison, and I was frustrated that Return of the King isn't even on the list!! No, not because it's not pulling in the cash, it just isn't there. I checked two different sources, and neither of them list Return of the King in the top 100 this week. There are some movies near the bottom of the list that are making LESS in OVERALL grosses than ROTK is making per-screen alone! (Unless, there's a 115% drop from last week.) What gives? I thought it might be that after a certain number of weeks they stop counting it with the others, but then I thought of Greek Wedding and all those IMAX movies that play for 7 years taking in $2 a day that are still listed. Did all theaters just not report grosses for King this week? It's not the first time I've seen movies just "disappear" like this. Texas Chainsaw Massacre was another one that was around #20 one week and completely gone every week thereafter. And it was pulling in more money at our theater than most of the movies at the bottom. Go figure. Anyone know what the deal with this is? I wonder if Return of the King's all-time tally will move up at all from its current $375M or if they'll just quietly forget to factor in last week's missing numbers. Methinks someone is trying to ensure Passion passes it. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Paul Konen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 981 From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-21-2004 08:34 AM                     Have all prints been pulled where it is not going to have a weekly gross? Link to All time movie rankings  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-21-2004 08:35 AM                        ROTK is #27 for last weekend. See this list: http://www.filmreleases.com/filmreleases/fbox.htm  |  IP: Logged John Carpenter Film Handler Posts: 96 From: Fort Walton Beach, FL, USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 04-21-2004 09:52 AM                     Not exactly the same issue but I have a similar question that has been bugging me for a while. When a theatre plays an old film (like an 80s film), reports grosses to EDI with all the others and it did really well (enough to be ahead to many other 1 screen listings), why is it never listed on the weekend actuals? I just assumed that once a movies "closes" that it doesn't ever change it's accumulated gross anymore?  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-21-2004 09:56 AM                        The Weekend Grosses numbers are actually provided by the studios. In many cases, the studio simply stops tracking a film after a certain number of weeks.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 04-21-2004 11:09 AM                        ROTK is still playing here at Cinemark's $1.50 theater.  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 04-21-2004 12:06 PM                     Still shows up here: Box Office Mojo They have weekly and daily figures for almost every movie.  |  IP: Logged Ian Price Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1714 From: Denver, CO Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-21-2004 01:04 PM                     Rank 25 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King Week 18, Locations 295, Weekend Gross 156,484 -19, Week Gross 183,137 -26. Rank 154 Kill Bill Vol. 1 MIR Week 28, Locations 2 Weekend Gross 15, Week Gross 769 -31  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 04-22-2004 10:37 AM                    Well, I know you don't want to hear this, Thomas, but if this keeps up, Passion will pass it. But that thread is over here.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 04-22-2004 02:02 PM                     Whoa. I guess we are ONE of the TWO theaters still playing Kill Bill Vol. 1!! (and it's our top movie -- made way more than the listed $15.) ROTK doesn't show up here: http://movies.yahoo.com/boxoffice/latest/rank.html Or here: www.the-numbers.com =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Ian Price Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1714 From: Denver, CO Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-22-2004 03:19 PM                     Then I'm guessing that your theatre doesn't participate with Rentrak.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 04-23-2004 11:50 AM                     We sure do. Rentrak AND EDI. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-23-2004 11:54 AM                        Rentrak has different levels of security. You can choose to have your numbers viewable only by you, only by the studios, or by everybody. I think you can also pick and choose who has access to your numbers.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-23-2004 12:17 PM                        So what do theatres get out of dealing with Rentrack and/or EDI? On the surface, it sounds like a raw deal for the exhibitor, but there must be some reason to do it. Do they pay for that information?  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-23-2004 04:09 PM                        I'm not sure about EDI ... but we get access to Rentrak's database. Plus, most of the distributors get their numbers directly from EDI or Rentrak ... so we don't have to give numbers directly to each distributor.  |  IP: Logged

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