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Brad Miller
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Many of you have noticed over the last couple of years there has been a lack of updates to the website. This is because about 30 months ago Film-Tech was offered a challenge by one of our clients to design and build the world’s first TRULY automated projection system, and we have been working non-stop to perfect it. Everyone on these boards has heard this claim regarding digital projection since the 1990s, but to date it has never become a reality. Granted some theaters have had varying degrees of success with partial automation, and some even claimed they didn’t need projectionists anymore, but in reality the projectionist position was simply pushed over to the manager as another responsibility as a way to disguise it.

Two years ago Film-Tech achieved that challenge when the Studio Movie Grill City Center opened which can be seen here. Those initial systems were very complex, but they performed exactly as ordered, and have continued to perform perfectly for the last 2 years. Essentially the systems act as if there was a dedicated projectionist upstairs every day, turning on breakers, starting shows, tweeking volume, pushing content, etc. Since then we took that concept and have greatly streamlined it into what is now referred to as the Film-Tech Digital Cinema system (DCS), which since has been installed in various other beta testing locations in these last 2 years. Today marks the end of our beta testing for the DCS and these systems are now officially available to the general public.

This brochure will explain most of the major bullet points, but as with any new product, there are always questions and we are happy to answer them. I ask you please place those questions in this thread.

For the diehard film buffs, please don’t forget that I am one of the biggest film buffs around. In fact my entire technical crew is comprised of hard core film nuts and we have always strived for the highest quality possible. That level of quality all boils down to one word, presentation. It is a word everyone on these forums knows well. It is what this community stands for.

Sadly, the reality of digital post-production is quickly settling in. I don’t have to explain that the general release film prints available today simply are not what they used to be. Movies are now completed digitally at a lower quality than used to be commonplace with negative cutting, and exporting digital to film only loses more quality, of which the labs are paying less and less attention to. At this point in time the better presentation, assuming the system is setup properly, actually comes from DLP projection. That statement in no way means that digital is better than film CAN and HAS been in the past, but when all of the factors are taken into account for film vs. digital today, in 2011, that is the truth. To make matters worse, a few of the major studios are already planning on a January 2013 date to stop producing mainstream 35mm prints, and most manufacturers have already ceased production of 35mm projectors. The end is near. There is nothing stopping it. THAT is the reality my friends.

Regardless of film or digital, the one thing we can all agree on is that at the end of the day, the product on screen is what is most important. Putting on the best possible show is what drives people to theaters, and we must provide an experience that cannot be achieved at home for our industry to survive. Many of you will agree that keeping a minimum number of fully trained projectionists handling the film in the booth is the best way to ensure a quality film presentation. This is no different. By eliminating the need for theater-level training and automating all of the daily tasks, we are able to control and ensure that quality is kept at maximum. It is with presentation in mind that Film-Tech introduces the DCS to the industry. The DCS represents an end-to-end system designed to control installation and operational costs, but at the same time ensures the quality of the presentation is not compromised.

Please ask any questions you have on the DCS in this thread and leave discussion of the digital revolution here.

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Frederick Lanoy
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Thirst, i would like to say that i'm very impressed by the results of this work. I mean it.

Yet, when i read the brochure, i felt quite unconfortable :

"A truly 100 % projectionnist-free environment becomes finally a reality."

Unconfortable is not the exact word. I felt really depressed when i read that.

"Without booth related distractions, manager are able to focus on the theater operations."

Managers are also happy when a qualify operator is able to handle a technical problem quickly (lamp can't ignite, Dowser won't open, automation fault, 3 D problem, speakers out of order.......). When managers know they can trust their team, they can indeed stay focus to their guests.

there were almost 17 000 visitors today in my cinema (more than 40 000 this week end). The idea to have a couple of qualify operators on the projection booth... is it so terrible ?

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Frederick Lanoy
Thirst, i would like to say that i'm very impressed by the results of this work.
Just so you know, since based on your location English isn't your first language, the word you were looking for is first. Thirst is quite a different word. [Smile]

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Frederick Lanoy
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Indeed, big mistake. It's very late in France !

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Brad Miller
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quote: Frederick Lanoy
The idea to have a couple of qualify operators on the projection booth... is it so terrible ?
In a perfect world, it is a wonderful idea. However in the real world, corporate officers are finding ways to operate more cost efficiently, and that means lower paid projectionists (which are typically less qualified) and/or "double duty projectionists" (manager/projectionists or concessionist/projectionist). That's the problem.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Brad Miller
January 2013 date to stop producing mainstream 35mm prints, and most manufacturers have already ceased production of 35mm projectors. The end is near. There is nothing stopping it. THAT is the reality my friends.

..I can suddenly see either a flood of cinemas going out of business, or someone or some venue offering digital units to these cinemas at an excellent rate so that they can stay in business..to get all the screens converted over to digital at the above target date.. Otherwise, "Hollyrock" is going to suffer in a huge percentage way with less revenue coming in due to the major shutdown of cinemas that can't afford the conversion on their own.

Definitely takes "two to do the tango!"

quote: Brad Miller
However in the real world, corporate officers are finding ways to operate more cost efficiently, and that means lower paid projectionists (which are typically less qualified) and/or "double duty projectionists" (manager/projectionists or concessionist/projectionist). That's the problem.

And sadly, the way the product quality is coming out these days (and the junk that is coming out this year in a whole) and last fall when the industry lost 5% in revenue, a lot of large circuits went into panic mode to trim the 'fat off the payroll pig' so to say, and kicked out the upper paid people that does booth for the less paid floor monkeys to do the same task, and some of the upper paids faced reduced hours, demotions to floor, or simply faced a layoff.

-Monte

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Lionel Fouillen
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Brad, congratulations on your efforts and achievements. I was surprised to see the picture of DCS popping up literally full-screen when I logged on today. but what an impressive infrastructure it is! Many projectionists will be depressed with that, seeing their talent not valued anymore within the new exhibition model, but you've simply been realistic. As the projection world changes, at least be it in the best technical conditions. No doubt the DCS will be a major success...

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Brad Miller
a few of the major studios are already planning on a January 2013 date to stop producing mainstream 35mm prints
What studios? I never heard this before. I wouldn't be surprised though.

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Steve Guttag
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The only "cut off date" I have heard of is a cut off for new VPF deals...it is is around the date Brad mentioned. The studios are not going to cease film prints when the majority or even a sizable minority are still using that format. I can see that the subrun folks will get the squeeze and that one's print options will be very slim though.

-Steve

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Bobby Henderson
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While I agree it is a good idea to keep unqualified people out of a projection booth and automating the process is good way to do it, I worry some other critical details in maintaining presentation quality are going to be missed.

Basically, at least one or more people on the staff has to be detail oriented enough to recognize when something in the projection system as well as the sound system is out of whack or broken.

Sound systems are particularly vulnerable to problems: EQ gone bad, blown speaker drivers, amplifiers dying, etc. Minimum wage popcorn jockeys down in the lobby probably aren't going to know about any of those things, much less care about them. Very few audience members point out such problems to management either. If anyone does bother the complaint is usually over the show being too loud. Audience members often accept bad sound as a reality of the movie-going experience and then boast how their home theater system sounds better.

Without enough tech-oriented people on site, theaters are going to be more and more dependent on service technicians to keep systems properly maintained. I think sound is getting overlooked at a lot of theaters.

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Victor Liorentas
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Yes sound systems at some of the newest all digital installs are a year in rattling and distorting around here!
I know of at least one bad integrating rod and some very dark screens!
The screens i run are only getting better via film with tweaking and upgrading lenses as they become available.
Under these circumstances i find 2k DI transfers actually still look overall better on the best film screens than digital screens done wrong!

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Scott Norwood
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quote:
i find 2k DI transfers actually still look overall better on the best film screens than digital screens done wrong!
Of course. Film done wrong and [dlp] done wrong are both bad and need to be avoided. No amount of technology will change that. Theatre owners and managers need to care about presentation quality, regardless of whether they are showing VHS or Imax.

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Martin McCaffery
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Will the digital revolution be televised? [Wink]

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Brad Miller
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quote: Mike Blakesley
What studios? I never heard this before. I wouldn't be surprised though.
I am not permitted to say, but it is 3 of the majors. Granted I am with Steve that the date will probably be extended, but just like with the cyan dye transfer, once the first major studio puts their foot down and kills 35mm, the rest will quickly follow. We've all seen it.

quote: Bobby Henderson
Sound systems are particularly vulnerable to problems
Bobby, I understand the concern, but the real question is what makes someone qualified to listen to a sound system and determine when there is a problem (other than obvious blown speakers)? Sound is a subjective thing and that is a huge problem in the field as you have witnessed first hand.

We do however take that concern seriously and our standard sound system has advanced diagnostics whereas most do not. We can literally tell when a driver is damaged or an amplifier fails (or is stolen). Our NOC's monitoring system alerts us when this happens so we can get a tech on site to remedy the problem immediately to keep the presentation quality high.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Steve Guttag
I can see that the subrun folks will get the squeeze and that one's print options will be very slim though.

Kind of the return of yore to how it used to be - large market locations got the first pick, then, then those limited amount of prints trickles down to the medium and then smaller market locations to where the smaller market locations gets prints that are in a sub-normal to a worn condition.

-Monte

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