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Robert E. Allen
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To keep from hijacking the "Stupid..." thread I thought I'd start this on in response to several showmanship posts there.

There were two theatres I worked in the past where I could really make screening a film a top quality presentation. One was the UA in Pomona, California (where my father was the chief operator). It had two curtains: one waterfall (or "teardrop") and a title (or travel) curtain plus house and stage light dimmers. I'd lift the waterfall (this was before turning theatre screens into giant commercial venues) and fade the houselights as I started the machine. As the waterfall hit the top of the stage opening the distributors logo hit the title curtain. As it faded out I opened the curtain and faded the footlights. It also had booth controlled masking and Ampex 4-track mag stereo/surround sound. The other was the Fox theatre in Compton, California which had the dimmers mentioned above plus a carbon arc effect machine which put a moving light effect around the logo and opening credits. The proceedure was to fade the houselights, start the machine, open the dowser when I heard the sound, open the effect machine dowser, open the title curtain (single curtain) and fade the effect machine after the opening credits. Sure kept a guy busy but gave me a prideful feeling to get it right. I've run platter houses and pushed the "start" button but the "showmanship" is gone there.

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Ben Wales
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Apart from the former London "Roadshow" Cinemas I had seen in the past, I would say for me would be the Rex Cinema in Berkampsted with two Philips DP70 Projectors and a fawless 70mm show I saw there last year.

Also recently, but now sadly closed, the Regal Cinema in Cranleigh Surrey.

That was some show for Presentation!.

In Europe must be the Schauburg Theatre in Karlsurhe Germany.
a former Cinerama Cinema that has retained its Todd-AO screen and Red Curtains and the Projection matches the standards
you would expect in Germany, that is now sadly missed in most of the UK Cinemas, with exception of a few.

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Rick Raskin
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If anyone is in the Richmond, VA area they should drop by the Byrd Theatre on a Saturday night and see how Bill Enos and Gary Cowardin do the presentation during the organ show. The transition from live performance to film is really done with precision. A spotlight on a mirror ball reflects in the house as the footlights dim and the organ descends into the pit. All this as the film logo comes up and the waterfall curtain rises. Check out the pictures in the archive and you can see what they are working with. Xenon has since replaced carbon in the booth.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Robert E. Allen
I've run platter houses and pushed the "start" button but the "showmanship" is gone there.

Sometimes, I try a little "showmanship" at the plexes that I work in.

Sadly, no masking, let alone no curtains, but sometimes I hit the 'houselights' button to start the dimming sequence to the "half light" stop, then hit the "start" button at the same time to kinda get the kids/audience in the "wow! the show is starting" mode to get settled in their seats.

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Andy Muirhead
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Sadly I've given up on showmanship. At my cinema, we have working curtains but a couple of years ago the management made a decision not to use them because they are looking like they would fail at some point soon and not be replaced. I miss using them, and it makes a big difference in presentation.

Sometimes on a big opening night I'll do what I call a start up, which is play a relevant track, dim the lights then open up the certificate on the screen while the track is playing, then crossfade into the opening soundtrack on the film. Lately being doing this for Mamma Mia. Been playing the ABBA track beforehand, then when the track reaches the "Mamma Mia!" chorus, the certificate hits the screen at the exact time the ABBA track says Mamma Mia.

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Bryan M. Montgomery
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Well done Andy. That's showmanship as far as I'm concerned. [thumbsup]

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James Robertson
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Ben Wales mentions the (now gone) Regal Cranleigh.for top presentation. Of course this cinema was owned and operated by Bernard Tonks a cinema legend and frequent contributor to this site.

Bernard at one time was Chief at the old Carlton Haymarket one of the best shows in London's West End.

I can vouch for the high standard required having worked there myself for a couple of years (Just before Bernard's time there) . I learned so much about silky smooth presentation which stood me in good stead when I moved on.

Now retired of course and when I go to the movies a GOOD presentation is hopefully seeing the move in focus and tne sound not blowing my head off!

Jim Robertson

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Andy Frodsham
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Yes, Andy, I agree with Bryan. I'm glad to see there is still some showmanship about.

A lot of people have been complaining that automation killed the showmanship. Having not used cinema automation, I am unable to comment about this but I would assume that some degree of showmanship is still possible. I know the more advanced systems enable independent cues for house and screen lights. Is it possible to hold the non-sync over the opening certificate, fade then switch to the soundtrack?

I've given-up expecting showmanship when I visit multiplexes but I suspect that a lot of cinema goers (more than we might imagine) do miss it!

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Mark Beach
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When I worked for UCI Cinemas in the UK from 1990 - 2004 - They were HUGE on Showmanship. Undoubtedly we must have been running the best present shows in the Country!! From the slides/lights/music all fading down at the same time - then continually framing and focusing every single advert and trailer and we even had to mute the joins between each advert so you didn't get the pop sound in screen on every join! All screens had Masking giving a nice clean edge to the film. We used to moan like hell but 90% of the time we did it for every show and it was a flawless well presented operation.

Sadly the Cinema I worked at in HULL, UK closed down so I went to work for the Rival Cineworld Cinema - a great cinema but as for show presentation it was awful, no masking, no light / music fade, the films were all on timers so you'd basically lace up and leave it - the film would start itself so you wasn't there to check the film! - There basically was no 'Showmanship'!

Then a small independent opened here in Hull, where I now work, and as chief I have tried to some degree to go back to the old UCI Cinema show presentation (Although we do not mute the joins!!) We are the Smallest Cinema in our city and have to compete with an all Digital 10 plex less than a mile away (Which always breaks down!), an Odeon and a Cineworld. We are not as busy as the other 3 Big Chains but I know for a fact we are the best presented cinema in the city - which I feel happy and proud about!! [Big Grin]

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Bryan M. Montgomery
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Showmanship in the automated world can be something as simple as cue placement. A lot of the more unprofessional operators out there place the credits cue right when they see text at the end, not taking the time to see if it is conclusionary text like "Jimmy went on to marry and live happily in Fargo North Dakota as a mail carrier until a vicious dog attack brought him to an untimely end in 1972." You know what I mean?
That kind of ending needs to be shown with the lights still dimmed. I, myself have seen films where the doorknob who built the print didnt do this, and as I get up and begin leaving, I'm missing the real end to the movie. Grrrrrrr! [Mad]

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Brad Miller
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A good automation that is properly setup can do a better job than any human. People seem to always blame automation, when in reality they are still blaming the humans in the booths today. The whole thing is silly. If the HUMAN presses the button for the curtains to open at precisely the right instant, you have the desired end result. If the HUMAN places the cue on the proper frame, you have the desired end result with the added benefit that EVERY show will hit the mark EXACTLY at the right instant on EVERY performance. With a good automation, you remove the factor of human error.

A good automation is better guys. Remember, automation does NOT mean you shouldn't have a projectionist in the booth ensuring the focus, framing and operation of the film is perfect. The automation simply acts as an assistant ensuring that every performance the various "buttons and switches" get pressed electronically at precisely the right instant every time. An attentive and good projectionist is STILL needed. The automation just permits him to put on an even better show.

Also, just because a theater doesn't have curtains doesn't mean there isn't any showmanship left. That's just ridiculous and insulting to the many projectionists out there today who work their butts off making the presentation as good as possible in a theater that the owners have decided against using or installing curtains in.

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Louis Bornwasser
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Adding to Brad's post: Frank Riffle (the guy who brought xenon & automation to the States from Europe. . . .Carbons. Inc; Xetron/Neumade) "You don't need NO operator with automation; you need a BETTER operator." And, I might add, with 10-20 screens, you are now able to pay him better. Louis

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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I started in this biz at an Air Force Base Theatre where everything was manual..footlights, curtain, house lights, switching from non-sync to film, etc. We had no masking and used the curtain to mask off the sides for 1.85.....

Add to all that the specific show instructions from AAFES (Army/Air Force Exchange Service) it made for busy hands and feet (our changeover button was a foot switch..anyone care to guess what happened if you dropped a reel?) but it was fun to get it all right.

A normal show start went like this:
  • Fade non-sync down with fader on projector;
  • Switch sound over to film mode;
  • Start motor, while beginning fade of footlights;
  • Begin to open curtain and fade house lights;
  • Open dowser and fade up sound precisely on opening of National Anthem trailer (Black leader with voiceover);
  • As Anthem ends...close curtain and kill house lights;
  • Re-open curtain on "Coming Attractions" snipe (complete with cheesy porno sounding music);
  • Close curtain and raise footlights at end of last trailer;
  • Dim footlights and re-open curtain at beginning of "Feature Presentation" snipe (this one at least had a decent trumpet fanfare track);
  • Do changeover into feature, opening curtains for scope as needed.
We used to call this ritual "the Foreplay." [Smile] Sometimes if we were really feeling frisky we would add a curtain call between the end of the snipe and beginning of the trailers.
I reiterate it was ALL manual, with an array of toggle switches on the front wall be each machine.

Oh, and our Numbered Air Force General was a big movie buff....so you really had to do well. We lost two projectionists..one who deserved it (the guy couldn't run a decent show to save his weiner) and another who destroyed a print through carelessness.

And you could count on a dressing down by the General if you let the "two-pop" (The beep on the track at the two-foot on Academy leaders) on the National Anthem get out. [Smile]

All of our projectionists were active duty servicemen (and women) who "moonlighted" at the theatre. (One of the only outside jobs the military allowed.)

Ahhh, good times. [Smile]

On automations and showmanship, one of the best I saw was at the Old General Cinema Sherman Oaks...they had a curtain and one of the old pin matrix automations and the projectionist there was a true showman, with pretty much all of the items in my "forplay" in his shows. Most memorable for me was his timing of the curtain call on the last trailer..the trailer was for some lame-ass talking horse movie, but the presentation scored huge applause for the timing..his curtain call had the curtain shut precisely as the "horse" says "We're outta here.." Truly "Projection done right!!"

And for those without curtains, a little thought into cueing on show start and end will make for a clean presentation. I never fault a projectionist for lack of curtain, but do despise cheapskate owners who don't install (or worse, maintain) them. They're not that big of an expense upfront...sheesh.

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Robert LaValley
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quote: Brad Miller
Remember, automation does NOT mean you shouldn't have a projectionist in the booth
Tell most corp. offices that and the bean counters yelp. [Roll Eyes] Sadly that's why those out of the booth are more happy about digital then those in the booth cuz its a cut in payroll once the shows start themselves via automation. [Frown]

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Louis Bornwasser
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Usually the "projectionist" is the only "hands on" person in the building. I have seen many cinemas replace him with 2 or 3 other people when he leaves. They didn't know what they had un til he left; tired of being underpaid, underappreciated, etc. Louis

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