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Author Topic: Fim loading the night before Daniel W. Skeen Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Yelm, Washington, usa Registered: Apr 2007 posted 09-23-2007 07:30 PM                        What are the pro's and con's to loading movies the night before. I have some people say it's okay, I have some people say it's not good for the film or the machines. That would leave them loaded and sitting idle over a 12 hour period.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 09-23-2007 08:23 PM                     Wherever you have a roller inside the projector that has a locking mechanism holding the film in place will have it's springs at full tension for the entire time. This can be especially hard on various sound head models. Also, there's the issue of dust collection (a lot of people want prints covered overnight). You'd have to make sure to not engage your platter tension mechanism otherwise that too would be engaged for 12 hours uselessly but if you do that then the clear leader will sit on the floor for the same amount of time.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-23-2007 09:04 PM                        This has been debated here before, I think. The issue of springs is a non-issue because it's been recommended here that you not open your pad rollers during the night. There's the issue of the film being "stressed" by being wrapped around rollers, sprockets and such over night, but since most of what's threaded should be leader, that's not really an issue. The only real concern is the one of dust collecting on the sections of the print that are strung thru the air. You could get around most of that problem by having a clean booth.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-23-2007 09:27 PM                     I was taught to leave the gate open at the end of the day. This releases the pressure on all the gate springs/bands and helps keep the springs from getting compression set. Bands can also stretch somewhat. As for pad rollers its the same reason... if your pad roller springs are not compressed in the closed position then leave them closed... if not in the open position then leave them open. You won't be placing any more wear on these mechanisms at all since they'd have to be opened to re-thread the machine anyway the next day. But overall following the above will help keep springs in spec. for longer periods. Mark  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-23-2007 10:36 PM                     ...and here I thought we were talking about cameras --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Scott D. Neff Theatre Dork Posts: 919 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Oct 1999 posted 09-24-2007 03:43 PM                        quote: John Hawkinson ...and here I thought we were talking about cameras What website have you been smoking?  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-24-2007 04:23 PM                     If the pinch roller in the soundhead is left closed and non rotating it will develop a flat spot introducing wow and flutter [ 09-24-2007, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: Gordon McLeod ]  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 09-24-2007 07:35 PM                       Please leave them un-threaded. When I come in for a service call, I'll just un-thread them anyway.  |  IP: Logged Ken Lackner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1907 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 09-24-2007 08:21 PM                     quote: Tim Reed When I come in for a service call, I'll just un-thread them anyway. Word.  |  IP: Logged Don Furr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 509 From: Sun City, Ca USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 09-24-2007 08:52 PM                     Like Mark, I was taught back in the 60's to always open the gates and all pad rollers. I never questioned it.....just did it and STILL do it. Probably not as important as I was led to believe it was.  |  IP: Logged Bryan M. Montgomery Film Handler Posts: 47 From: Chillicothe, Ohio Registered: Jul 2007 posted 09-25-2007 12:22 AM                        John was refering to the threading of the equipment being refered to as "loading," like you load a camera. It was a joke y'all, catch up. One big thing I have against overnight threading is the large number of poorly trained personnel operating booth equipment all over the country, imagine the button-pusher failing to notice the film that the HVAC blew off a vital roller the previous night, and just fires her up and walks away. Can you say film damage?  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 09-25-2007 02:56 AM                     On the other hand, you'd trust them to thread the movie instead? If they suck as bad as your not-so-hypothetical person does, they're gonna suck all the time; not just when pushing the button for a show someone else threaded.  |  IP: Logged Robert E. Allen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1078 From: Checotah, Oklahoma Registered: Jul 2002 posted 09-25-2007 03:45 AM                     There is no justification for threading the machines the night before. If the person starting the machines does not have the time to clean and thread the machines or is not well trained enought to do anything other than press a start button then they have no business being in the booth.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 09-25-2007 09:26 AM                        I always leave the machines empty at the end of the day. Before I thread for the next day I always like to run the machines for a 5 minute "warm up" before threading. I don't like running them with film "cold" on their first run of the day.  |  IP: Logged Chad M Calpito Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 09-25-2007 09:46 AM                        I like to leave the machines unthreaded over-night. There is no need to have them ready and just sit there doing nothing. Besides, I like to do my maintenance work on the equipment before I thread the machines up.  |  IP: Logged

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