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Brad Miller
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Yes I know we have a thread for news articles, but this one is a standout as it directly relates to the industry. (And also because it's my site darnit.)

So it looks like Universal is already blaming the failure of American Gangster on internet piracy before it even opens. Nice save guys! [Razz]

Also I find this article very interesting in that Universal is telling people that the copies available for free download on the internet are "pristine copies". Why would you tell people that would otherwise be expecting a crappy camcorder job or a watermarked screener that they can download a perfect copy?

Also, the quote "consumers are then more likely to buy a theater ticket rather than a poor-quality bootleg DVD."

And since when did moviebootlegging become a word?

Link to story, reprinted from Wall Street Journal
quote:
Hollywood security not enough to foil movie bootleggers

BY SARAH MCBRIDE AND PETER SANDERS THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007

A new high-profile moviebootlegging case involving the coming Oscar hopeful American Gangster shows that Hollywood’s supposedly reinforced preventive measures on piracy aren’t as reliable as the industry thought.

The movie, which stars Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe, is being distributed by General Electric Co. ’s Universal Pictures and is set to open to the public Friday. The premiere took place Oct. 19 at the Apollo Theater in New York.

But the movie has been available since at least Wednesday at various file-sharing sites on the Internet. High-quality DVDs were being sold for $ 5 on Thursday morning in Los Angeles, where someone in a car pulled up in front of a Wilshire Boulevard office building and quickly sold a few copies before moving on.

While studios have come to accept that their movies will quickly find their way onto the Internet after their theatrical releases, they have been fighting hard to prevent them from landing online before they hit the big screen. For the past few years, the studios seemed to be succeeding in that mission, with few prerelease-piracy issues. The companies have taken extensive security precautions at prerelease screenings in theaters and have been vigilant about stamping watermarks on other copies of films that circulate in a quest to identify potential pirates.

But early releases are on the upswing again. Earlier this year, Ratatouille, the animated film from Walt Disney Co. ’s Pixar, began appearing online about 10 days before its official release. Other titles that have been affected this year include Weinstein Co. ’s Sicko and Lions Gate Entertainment Corp. ’s Hostel: Part II. The events show that leaks may be occurring during postproduction, when various vendors working on each film have access to it.

The impact of such releases on a film’s ultimate box-office and DVD performance is hard to gauge, but industry officials say there is no doubt that it hurts.

“The longer you can prevent a scenario like this one with American Gangster from occurring, the better the return on investment for a studio,” said John Desmond, vice president of SafeNet Inc. ’s MediaSentry, an online piracy-research company.

In the case of American Gangster, the problem is compounded by the excellent quality of the bootleg versions, which appear to be pristine, lacking even the “not-for-distribution” scroll at the bottom of the screen that would identify it as an “early screener.” If a movie is going to be pirated, the ideal for studios is for poorquality copies to predominate online for as long as possible, Desmond said, since consumers are then more likely to buy a theater ticket rather than a poor-quality bootleg DVD.

Universal officials say they aren’t sure how a copy of the movie leaked. In recent years, studios have clamped down on many sources of piracy, such as copies leaking out from postproduction houses or members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, who vote for the Oscar awards and typically receive DVD copies of films at the beginning of the annual awards season. But Universal says that isn’t the case in this instance.

“There have been no screeners sent out to members of the academy so that’s 100 percent impossible as the cause of how this leaked,” said Michael Moses, a Universal Pictures spokesman.

American Gangster is a project many years and more than $ 100 million in the making, and the studio has high Oscar hopes for it. The early release is “disappointing and devastating, but unfortunately, it’s part of doing business,” Moses said.

Equating every bootleg copy with a lost sale is faulty logic, many in the industry say. Many people who buy the illegal copy are prepared to spend $ 5 for the bootlegged movie but wouldn’t have forked out $ 20 for the legitimate DVD, let alone paid for the whole family to see it in a theater.

The situation leaves studios in a predicament. They need to hammer hard on piracy, presenting it as a serious problem worthy of crackdowns by law enforcement, lawsuits and massive public-relations campaigns.

At the same time, they are sometimes reluctant to concede ground to the pirates. After the leak of Hostel: Part II, Tom Ortenberg, president of Lions Gate Films Releasing, told the Los Angeles Times it wouldn’t hurt box-office sales much because the early leak was of such poor quality. When the movie didn’t do well as well as he had hoped, director Eli Roth blamed piracy.

The industry has prosecuted individual pirates — though the consequences are often underwhelming. When Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith leaked online a few hours before its 2005 release, the industry used forensic technology to determine that the leak originated with an employee at a postproduction house who had lent a copy of the movie to friends, one of whom uploaded it onto the Internet.

Eight individuals we re charged in that case, most with misdemeanors. The man who originally took the movie was sentenced to two years ’ probation and a fine of $ 2, 500. The uploader was fined $ 1, 000 and sentenced to four months’ house arrest as part of a threeyear probation.


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Mike Blakesley
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If they want to stop piracy, why don't they just stop making ANY DVDs of a movie before it's theatrical release? They managed to live that way before there were DVDs and videotapes, so maybe just turning back the clock would work. That's probably too simple a solution, though.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote:
The events show that leaks may be occurring during postproduction, when various vendors working on each film have access to it.
Um....DUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Roll Eyes]

Fucking Hollywood idiots.

Weren't we pointing out this very issue when "crap code" was all the shiznit on 35mm film prints? Hollywood studios: it's your fucking DVD-R screener discs. That's what's getting pirated. I wish one of those studio "suits" was in my living right now so I could punch him in the face with a can of Green Giant creamed corn!

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The impact of such releases on a film’s ultimate box-office and DVD performance is hard to gauge, but industry officials say there is no doubt that it hurts.
The actual negative cost is probably negligible. Although it does work as a rather convenient excuse to screw over movie theater companies and front load a movie release with many thousands of prints so it plays itself out in mere days and gets to DVD as quick as possible to start making returns on all that money borrowed to finance the movie production. We know the real deal around here.

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When the movie didn’t do well as well as he had hoped, director Eli Roth blamed piracy.
Wow. Hostel II being piece of shit wasn't a factor? Hell, I didn't like Hostel "I". In fact, I'd laugh at any person being enough of a doofus to waste valuable free time downloading those movies, burning them to DVD and watching the result. Great way to waste parts of your life!

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When Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith leaked online a few hours before its 2005 release, the industry used forensic technology to determine that the leak originated with an employee at a postproduction house who had lent a copy of the movie to friends, one of whom uploaded it onto the Internet.
Ah. A leak which "crap code" would have done nothing to prevent. Of course all of the people running Hollywood studios know the truth in where leaks occur for movie piracy. Obviously the problem is not costing them enough money that they would do something like force movie stars and movie critics to watch the movie in a regular movie theater. They'll keep playing fast and loose with post production materials and DVD screener discs yet still blame problems of piracy on movie theaters.
[Roll Eyes]

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Mike Blakesley
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Actually the coding on the films is nabbing a lot of bootleg films pirated off of screens. We get a list from NATO every quarter telling where the boots are coming from.

But the copies mentioned in the article Brad posted are obviously not THAT kind of bootleg.

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Ron Curran
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Yes Mike, the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft (AFACT) to which exhibitors contribute financially, keeps us informed of their raids.

Last week they raided a video store and seized 100,000 DVDs, 51 burners, 14 folders of DVD covers and an extensive catalogue of pornography.

Titles were all mainstream recent and current cinema releases.

Similar reports name titles that are yet to be released in this country.

So the sources are virtually anywhere they can get them. Screeners, cam copies - they don't care.

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Joe Redifer
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I can't believe that they are ignoring one of the biggest losses of box office revenue.... MOVIE THEATER EMPLOYEES!! These selfish movie theater employees get to see the movies they show for free again and again. Many of them also get to see them a day before the movie is even released to the world! All of these employees would have purchased a legitimate ticket otherwise. Just think of how much cash the studios are missing out on! Oh my god!

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Joe, to combatthis, all of our employees are blindfolded. Especially the projectionists.

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Chad M Calpito
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The one and only thing I do to combat the day before screening of any movie is to build movies in the wee hours of the morning on Fridays and any mid-week openings. And if employees were to ask if I could let them in, I would refuse them to enter the building since it's against company policy and because I am the only movie builder for all ten screens which gives me the final say in the decision as well. [evil]

Of course, I do run movies through to make sure it goes through well without any hitches on opening day.

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John Wilson
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Then why not let the staff watch them too while you're running them? Gives them knowledge on the film to pass on to the patron. Of course the condition would be (from me) that if it sucked they were not allowed to say so. It's a business, after all.

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All over the country, the studios PAY colleges and even some High Schools to show sneak previews all the time. We make a decent profit getting just under a grand to run a single sneak. And we get 600, 700 students per sneak, depending on when the publicity campaign has started relative to the sneak date. Why do the studios arrange for FREE pre-opening sneaks?....because it's good word-of-mouth PUBLICITY.

I'll bet there is a PhD just waiting for someone to write which would find out scientifically if at least some of the bootlegging going on doesn't actually PROMOTE a film. If seeing it before it opens or even in the early days of the release is so "devestating," then why do the publicity departments purposely show films to thousands of college kids for FREE?!! The suits should just chalk the infintesimal number of people who get to see a bootleg and who DON'T then go to see it again in the theatre, compared to the millions who will actually go pay to see it in the theatre -- they should chalk it up to free publicity and stop whining about it. You KNOW these geeks are going to brag to everyone they come in even remote contact with about how they got to see the movie first. They are walking billboards. You KNOW everyone who saw the internet STAR WARS -- REVENGE OF THE LUCAS went raving about it to all their friends.

A real scientific impact study would evaluate aspects such as this to find out what REALLY is economically harmful and what is not, and even perhaps what might actually even be beneficial.

And perhaps then Hollywood might give it a rest.

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Chad M Calpito
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In answer to your query, John, is that there were problems in the past during the Thursday night builds, such as floor staff sneaking in their friends, etc. Then, our theatre instituted the Friday morning movie builds. The only time another person would screen a movie would be if a manager was scheduled to come in just to preview the movie and, so far, that hasn't happened, yet. So, no day before film screenings for Floor Staff.

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There are ways to deal with that though.

I'm sure all your screenings have a manager or a supervisor of some sort in them. Couldn't they just write up anyone who tries to bring a friend? Then if they do it a second time you put them on a probation or fire them.

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quote: Chris Slycord
I'm sure all your screenings have a manager or a supervisor of some sort in them.
And that manager or supervisor is watching a movie for free when he would have otherwise purchased a ticket, thus STEALING revenue from the studios and making their box office receipts much lower. I'm telling you, if it wasn't for those god damned movie theater employees, then there would be nothing to blame for box office failure.

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At a booth meeting earlier this year in January, issues like you mentioned, Chris, were brought up and as a booth team and with management, nobody is permitted to preview any movies except for the main movie builder, such as myself. The issue of a manager being scheduled to come in to preview the movie to make sure it runs through great hasn't happened. The primary reason behind it was to make sure that there weren't any mis-splices, sound problems with the print, etc. But, that wasn't needed since I'm able to do it myself and have not had any problems at all since all prints ran 100% perfectly without mis-splices or sound problems, etc.

Other than that, if I don't get a particular movie at my theatre that I personally want to sit down and watch, I'll goto the next closest theatre and purchase a legitimate ticket to see it no matter what the cost is. Usually, outside of going to my theatre, I usually goto either Ultra Star Cinemas Hazard Center 7 or the AMC Mission Valley 20 or Fasion Valley 18.

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While I did make a comment over in the review section about this 'bootlegging' crap, I will say add this:

Exhibitors should start sueing the film companies for breach of contract when these screeners get out like this. It obviously came out of one of thier production houses. IT WILL AFFECT MY GROSSES THIS WEEKEND. WHY THE HELL DID I GET THREE PRINTS OF "AMERICAN GANGSTER" WHEN HALF THE POPULATION OF WASHINGTON D.C. HAS ALREADY SEEN THE DAMN FILM ?!?!

CAN I GET $500 FOR TURNING UNIVERSAL PICTURES INTO THE MPAA????

[Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]

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