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Mark Strube
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I haven't made a trailer edit in quite some time. I've done edits for the Matrix films & video game, Bad Boys II, and some other random unfinished projects (The 5th Element)... but the best edit I've done, by far, was for Desperado.

I made this back in August of 2003... it's not as perfect as I'd like it to be (there's some abrupt audio cuts), but not bad enough to go back and redo it. I made this using Adobe Premiere 6.5 and the DVD for the film. I think it's worlds better than the official trailer, and with a little smoothing out could even work as a real one.

I'd love to get your feedback, since you guys see trailers all the time in your profession (I do too, but that's just because I'm a trailer junkie). I'm hoping to get inspired again sometime soon to put together another good trailer... it's really tough for me to force something like this, which is why I'm not sure if I could ever turn it into a profession, but you never know!

Looking forward to your thoughts. (Oh, and the email address on the opening card is totally outdated haha)

Here's the link: http://srv14.movie-list.net/strube/trailers/desperado-strube-trailer-640x360.mov

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Tim Reed
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- posted 04-11-2007 01:13 AM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Okay, and we're doing this why? [Confused]

(Btw, this should be in the random video thread...)

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Mark Strube
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quote:
Okay, and we're doing this why? [Confused]
How do you mean? Making trailer edits was a hobby of mine I'd like to restart again sometime soon. Trailers + movie theatres + the film business + film handling are pretty closely related.

I figured the random videos thread was mostly for stupid crap found on YouTube (in crap quality), I thought something like this that a member made is a bit different.

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Brad Miller
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It's not bad, but it really does look like a typical forgetful movie trailer since it so closely imitates everything we see week after week. In other words, nothing stands out.

I'm sure you know this, but the dialogue is buried at the first of the trailer.

I would recommend you be careful about not showing anything from the last 2 reels. That does in fact partially give away the ending and lessens the movie's impact since the audience will have seen those shots.

At least you didn't do the stupid stinger after the title. Twister started that crap and it seems like almost every trailer uses it these days. For your lack of using a lame stinger, I will give you a thumbs up on the edit.

Now here is a trailer that doesn't ruin the movie.

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Tim Reed
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quote: Mark Strube
How do you mean?
For what purpose does it serve? The movie isn't new and you're not affiliated with that show. It can't be sold, or used in conjunction with its promotion...

I don't understand the reason for doing this. [Confused]

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Michael Schaffer
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What's the "stupid stinger"?

BTW, I absolutely detest trailers and typically try to avoid watching them when I can. They are far too long these days, have too many cuts, give away way too much of the movie.

A good trailer should wet your appetite, not give away all the surprises, good moments and important lines. It should be like this: brief and in Hungarian.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Michael Schaffer
They are far too long these days
Trailers are much shorter today than they were in the '70s and earlier. I ran plenty of 3-minute and longer ones back in the day.

I agree with you that they give away too much. I remember one of the best trailers ever: It was a teaser for "Gremlins." All it was, was sound efx, narration, and a pool of water that gradually drained away to reveal the movie title. But when it was over, you just knew you had to see the damn movie.

As for Mark's reason for doing his trailer, I think that would fall into the "hobby" category.

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Mark Strube
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quote: Mike Blakesley
As for Mark's reason for doing his trailer, I think that would fall into the "hobby" category.
You've got it! [thumbsup]

I'm certainly no editing master, so the fact that you said it's passable as a standard trailer makes me happy. I still think it's much better than the official trailer, though. If any of you have the Desperado DVD, take a look at it.

quote: Brad Miller
I would recommend you be careful about not showing anything from the last 2 reels. That does in fact partially give away the ending and lessens the movie's impact since the audience will have seen those shots.
Agreed. The Spider-Man 3 trailers lately are a perfect example of this. I feel like I've already seen the whole movie. [Frown]

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Brad Miller
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The stingers can be found on EVERY horror movie trailer these days. You have the entire trailer as normal, complete with stupid flashes to black, negative switches, flashes to white, overused sound effects, etc. Then at the end it gives the title and you think it's over...but no, they have to SCARE YOU with that last stupid 1/2 second clip of the evil bad guy while they play a shriek loudly through the soundtrack.

It's retarded, and I even see it on comedy trailers these days where they think they can get that last laugh. LAME!

Anyone remember back in the mid 90s when every Fox trailer started off with some clips and then they realized "oops, we forgot to put the Fox logo up, let's throw that in real quick and then get back to the trailer". Needless to say that style did not flow well at theaters that cut off green bands. That little bit started with the trailer for Speed. [Roll Eyes]

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Mark Strube
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I kind of like the quiet stingers. Not the ones that try to scare you or make you laugh, but the ones that give you that one last fade-in of a cool scene or something. I think I remember one of the Tomb Raider 2 trailers using this.

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Bobby Henderson
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Stingers are pretty lame. And that's because most movie makers in Hollywood have no clue on how to really scare audiences anymore. Most horror movies are just bullshit. Why should I give a shit one way or the other if some cardboard quality character with D-cup tits manages to escape a slasher or not? Since the characters and storyline are crap, they resort to attempts at startling the audience. And that's even more lame. Stingers are doubly lame for imitating the worst qualities in shitty horror movies.

The really bad thing about 2-3 minute trailers is they'll often feature many of the best or most expensive moments in the show. Chances are you'll remember at least a couple of the high priced camera shots and wonder when they're going to show up in the movie. If the images are from points late in the story you end up figuring out exactly what's going to happen for the rest of the movie.

For instance, consider the recent Casino Royale release. There's a bunch of images in its trailer that are taken from the final action set piece near the end of the movie. They even include shots of Vesper Lynd under water in the elevator. That shot alone is enough to give away the entire 3rd act of the movie to people who hadn't already read Ian Flemming's novel. When Bond and Lynd are smooching on the beach late in the story, you realize, "when it that elevator under water shot going to happen?"

I tend to prefer teaser trailers which show the viewer hardly anything at all from the movie. Some of the best ones are short in length, simple yet graphical on the visuals and leave a great deal of mystery left as to what may be in the movie.

Total Recall had a very good teaser trailer (in 70mm 6-track Dolby no less) that tied into the imagery on its teaser poster.

I liked the teaser clip for Goldeneye which simply features the shadowy figure of Bond walking into a white studio and blasting letters off the screen until all that's left is "007".

Jurassic Park had a decent teaser trailer just featuring a mosquito preserved in fossilized amber. Spielberg and Universal correctly avoided showing hardly anything of the CGI dinosaurs until the movie had been in theaters for awhile.

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Tim Reed
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quote:
I tend to prefer teaser trailers which show the viewer hardly anything at all from the movie. Some of the best ones...leave a great deal of mystery left as to what may be in the movie.
Amen, brother, amen! The Goldeneye and Jurassic Park examples are superb! I also like trailers that don't show ANY scenes from the movie, ala Hitchcock films, The Jerk, and It's a Wonderful Life
quote: Mike Blakesley
As for Mark's reason for doing his trailer, I think that would fall into the "hobby" category.
Why not just cut your own stuff?

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Mark Strube
Agreed. The Spider-Man 3 trailers lately are a perfect example of this. I feel like I've already seen the whole movie.
I like to think that our audiences here have a bit of an advantage. We don't get all the various versions of the trailers, since we don't play all that many films on the break. Often, the only version we have is the original "teaser" that comes out 6 months or more before the movie. Therefore we don't give away the entire story by showing three or four different trailers over a few months. To keep the boredom level down, I'll run a trailer for a while and then leave it off for a few weeks....the Spider-Man 3 trailer is back on this week, but has been off for the past month.

I remember the Goldeneye trailer Bobby mentions above...that was the only trailer we ever had for that movie!

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Mark Strube
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quote: Tim Reed
Why not just cut your own stuff?
I guess you just won't always understand everyone's hobbies. I certainly don't understand the thrill in coin collecting or model trains. [Wink]

I really can't describe it... sometimes I'm watching a favorite movie and I envision in my head how I would've cut the trailer for that movie. (It especially helps if the official trailer for it sucks.) This is just one of the rare cases where I actually managed to really apply my ideas and it turned out pretty well.

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Tim Reed
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I guess not.

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