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Author Topic: Kramer's "racist" rant Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 11-22-2006 02:30 PM                     Youtube I don't think he did anything wrong. If a righteous white man were causing a scene at the Apollo then there would have been the exact same reaction. Of course noone would even bat an eyelash at it. Why should we go out of our way to spare the blacks' feelings? He didn't do anything that black comedians don't do every single time they get on stage. That is true racism, not saying that I am black and I hate you because you are white, or vise versa, but saying that I am black so I deserve to be treated better than you. Everyone, white, black, mexican, gay, straight, whatever, should have the right to hate anyone that they choose.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 11-22-2006 03:04 PM                        The 2 black guys were on the Today show this morning giving their side of the story. They claim they were part of a group of about 15 (mixed race: white, black, asian) that entered the club kind of late and were probably making a little noise while ordering drinks. Richards was on stage at the time. They admitted yelling out "You're not funny, and you've been a failure at everything you've tried since Seinfeld" (claims that are true, but I digress). That's when Richards started. First thing he said was "Tomorrow when I wake up I'll still be rich and famous. You will still be a (n-word)". There's more to the exchange than what is seen in the video. In a bizarre twist, the black guys have apparently hired Gloria Allred to "represent" them (whatever that turns out to mean). Anyway the only real harm done is to Michael Richards' career.  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-22-2006 03:18 PM                     What career?  |  IP: Logged Fred Georges Master Film Handler Posts: 257 From: Lombard, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2000 posted 11-22-2006 03:44 PM                     Michael Richards & Daniel Carver = KU KLUX KRAMER!  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 11-22-2006 04:09 PM                     quote: "Tomorrow when I wake up I'll still be rich and famous. You will still be a nigger". That is the funniest thing I have heard all day. Again, did he do anything that blacks don't do everyday? No. If someone is offended by something another person says, it is the problem of the person being offended; NOT the person being offensive. As for his career, he is still getting checks from seinfeld and probably will do so for another twenty years.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-22-2006 04:34 PM                        I didn't even know he was still doing standup comedy until all this happened. I'm surprised more people aren't chastising the "fun loving club patrons" for STARTING THE WHOLE THING by arriving to the show late, and then ruining his act by heckling him. They deserved to be shouted down! Bottom line, he probably over-reacted, but if he hadn't used the N Word nothing would have happened. (Which is stupid in itself.)  |  IP: Logged Brian Michael Weidemann Expert cat molester Posts: 944 From: Costa Mesa, CA United States Registered: Feb 2004 posted 11-22-2006 04:57 PM                        The first part of it (at least the first part caught on camera) seemed like he could have played it out as part of his act--well, not that it was staged, but as an improvised (albeit offensive) recovery from a heckler--then kept going with his original bits. I agree, he didn't seem to say anything totally outrageous. But he was obviously flustered, distracted, and got angry rather quickly; so I imagine it would be hard to recover and go on with the act. I felt bad for all the poor people in the audience, with the situation getting tense and awkward, not knowing what the heck to do.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-22-2006 06:21 PM                        Why is everyone forgetting the racist remarks yelled back at him by the patrons of black persuasion? This video could have really benefited from Dolby Digital EX as they started to walk behind the camera to leave. Brad always calls me a "cracker". Or is it "cracka"? And I'll probably never post it on YouTube.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-22-2006 06:28 PM                  quote: Chris Hipp Everyone, white, black, mexican, gay, straight, whatever, should have the right to hate anyone that they choose. Chris, that's hilarious...and soooo true! I must add it to my "Quotable Quotes" file!  |  IP: Logged Matthew Peters Expert Film Handler Posts: 179 From: Glen Waverley, Melbourne, Australia Registered: Nov 2002 posted 11-22-2006 07:05 PM                     quote: David Stambaugh First thing he said was "Tomorrow when I wake up I'll still be rich and famous. You will still be a (n-word)". Is the word "nigger" so offensive in your culture that you guys call it the "n-word"?  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 11-22-2006 07:08 PM                        I had sincerely hoped that, after 911....a real problem, that this kind of political correctness would disappear. Words are NOT like bullets......bullets work! Louis  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 11-22-2006 07:13 PM                        In the televised interview, everyone used "n-word" in place of "nigger". Quoting dictionary.com on the word "nigger": Usage note: The term nigger is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. Definitions 1a, 1b, and 2 represent meanings that are deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense. Definition 1a, however, is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way. Definition 3 is not normally considered disparaging—as in “The Irish are the niggers of Europe” from Roddy Doyle's The Commitments—but the other uses are considered contemptuous and hostile. –noun 1. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a. a black person. b. a member of any dark-skinned people. 2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc. 3. a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised. [Origin: 1640–50; < F nègre < Sp negro black]  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-22-2006 07:17 PM                  Louis = David Stambaugh =  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 11-22-2006 07:21 PM                        Matthew Peters asked a question. I pointed him to one answer. Sorry if that made you sleepy Phil.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-22-2006 07:22 PM                  OK...good point. But not necessarily held by all.  |  IP: Logged

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