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Topic: What does your child's name say about him/her?
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Leo Enticknap
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From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 09-23-2005 09:10 AM
Not much in my case, given that I don't have any; but a friend sent me a link to this forum thread in which schoolteachers admit that they draw conclusions about their pupils based on their names, before even meeting them.
Some comments:
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"Kayleighs have always been a pain, and have never met a Poppy who was not hyperactive or not very bright."
"I have never met a Chloe that didn't have a nasty, spiteful streak. Jordan is usually pretty bad for a girl and Kyle always spells trouble!"
"...names that inspire dread for me are Ashley, Ryan, Daemon & Troy for boys and Leanne, Kayleigh, Stacey and Lou-Lou for girls."
"Josh by a wide mile. Always an arrogant, nasty, selfish git."
"Liam; always a bad lad."
"Just you wait - the Chardonnays will start coming through soon."
"In my last school the nightmare girls had unexpetedly traditional names - Katherine, Stephanie etc, as well as an utter horror called Sabrina."
"Worst children were called Sasha and William. Spoilt nasty little gits."
"I have a Jake who is indeed 'satans spawn!'" [sic - the fact that a teacher is writing this and [s]he can't even use the possessive apostrophe is a bit worrying, IMHO]
"Do any of you teach any Kylies? All the Kylie's that i know are really nasty..." [ditto]
"My Katie is 3 going on 30 and a mardy madam with a naughty streak a mile wide -also bright wich makes it worse."
"charlottes tend to be okay, unles their abbreviated form is "charlie". then they generally prove to be a nightmare"
"Ryan on the other hand, and Kiefer... urgh!"
"Student names that fill me with dread:
Boys - Scott, Reece, Josh, Ryan, Liam, Jack, Tom
Girls - Kimberley, Shenice (and any other name ending in 'ice'), Jade "
"My daughter had a girl called Heaven-Leigh in her class last year. Each to their own I guess. She seems nice enough but have noticed that she is very good at bending the truth, telling stories which aren't true. I find for a 5 year old thats a bit worrying."
"Taking the article in the Mirror seriously for a second ....... we could be causing thousands of children to feel stigmatised and bullied. Oh, hang on a minute - you give your child a name like Tiffany-Jo-Jo and expect them not to feel STIGMATISED AND BULLIED!!"
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Phil Hill
I love my cootie bug
Posts: 7595
From: Hollywood, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-23-2005 05:21 PM
Well put Daryl. In general, I've met many more smart, honest, and down-to-earth kids than teachers...including college.
I can think of a handful of "great" teachers I had when growing up... and several my kids had that were true inspirations and genuinely took an interest in their job and the kids.
It seems the majority of the public school teachers (at least in Michigan and Cali) just want to hold on to their phony-bologna jobs EVEN though they are crappy teachers and unqualified to teach and set good examples to the youngins'.
On the subject of kid's names, I was reading somewhere recently (Time, Newsweek?) that parents who name their kids with offbeat, weird, or unusual, or "non-American" [white] sounding names are actually shortchanging their kids for life.
It seems that after all these years, there still is a big portion of people of ALL colors that prejudge based on a name and those kids have less of a chance for a good education, a good job, and therefore the "good" life. So, when yous fill out that resume, use a "white" name. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
I thought that very interesting and food for thought.
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Mark Hajducki
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Edinburgh, UK
Registered: May 2003
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posted 09-23-2005 06:04 PM
Related artical from Scotsman Newspaper. Different regions will have different 'problem names'
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CHILDREN with unfortunate names have long been the victims of playground taunts.
However, it seems the "give a kid a bad name" phenomenon is equally rife in the staff room after teachers admitted they use the class register to predict pupils' behaviour.
Topping the list of troublemakers are Jordan, Kyle, Ashley, Jade, Kayleigh and Chelsea. Any child with a surname or a place name as their Christian name is also likely to be identified as a problem pupil.
The revelation that teachers are putting black marks by pupils' names even before they meet them, comes in an internet forum on behaviour on the Times Educational Supplement website. One teacher, using the name "heather220", writes: "Isn't it funny how we all have similar names that send a shiver down our spine when we read over the register for the first time?"
Children named Jordan are described by teachers as: "a definite no-no"; "a really psychotic kid"; and "uh-oh, sneaky and dangerous". The name Kyle provoked responses such as: "usually spawn of the devil" and "someone lock him up". As for Ashleys, they were declared: "worse than evil" and "no words to describe the terror".
The deep aversion teachers feel towards certain pupils is even affecting the names they give their own offspring. One Scottish teacher said: "It's amazing how restricted your choice becomes because so many names bring horrible visions into your mind. Will never call a child John-David or Angus."
Some teachers have even categorised the most disturbing names into groups. "Octagon" wrote: "I've always found students with surnames as Christian names eg Spencer, Cameron, Mitchell, Harrison and Taylor are all awful."
Another cautioned: "Avoid any child whose name is shared with a place: Jordan, Chelsea, Georgia etc."
Andrew Mellor, the manager of the Scottish Schools Ethos Network at Edinburgh University, said such debates should not be taken too seriously. "This kind of thing is part of teachers' mythology. There may be an element of class snobbery, but teachers are just having fun with names."
But psychologists said names could sometimes be an indication of behaviour. Dr Cynthia McVey, a psychologist at Glasgow Caledonian University, said there were two possible explanations why children with the same name were perceived to behave in similar ways.
"If a teacher gets an idea that children with certain names behave in a certain way, they will look for behaviour that reinforces their beliefs. However, it could be that different types of people are attracted to certain names for their children and then encourage their children in behaviour that is not considered positive by teachers."
If Dr McVey is right and names can be an indication of a person's behaviour, then anyone planning to name their daughter Shannon might be wise to reconsider. One posting by a teacher using the name "rowen" read: "Any verdicts on Shannons? I'm afraid to say my view is future hooker."
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Will Kutler
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From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 09-24-2005 12:14 AM
My legal name is Will,not Willie, William, Wilburforce, etc, etc, etc!
Anyhow, this was a very big problem for me growing up. As a kid many of an adult would argue with me about my name, insisting that it could in no way be just Will. And several times I would either just ignore people, which would then piss them off because in their eyes I was being a spoiled brat, or I would look at them and ask if their name was "fuckhead", "shit fer brains" or the like. Of course they would be shocked and offended...so I would tell them to either get my name right or I would continue to fuck with their names!
A memorible incident for me was when I formally enlisted into the USAF. To make a long story short, a Marine was completing my formal contract and tried to mess with a few things, including my name. It took him some time to complete the typing, and of course there were many other enlistees in line behind me. No problem. I tore the contract up in front of the Marines face and told him to retype it corectly. Of course the Marine was PO'ed and tried to chew my ass. But I told him to shut the fuck up, as I had not formally enlisted and could go home if I so pleased. He retyped the contract.
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