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Bob Brown
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posted 01-27-2005 05:54 PM

From CNN http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/27/mouthwash.dui.ap/index.html

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ADRIAN, Michigan (AP) -- A woman arrested after failing a sobriety test and telling police she drank three glasses of Listerine has pleaded guilty to drunken driving.

Carol Ries, 50, was pulled over after she rear-ended another vehicle at a red light on January 9. She passed one breathalyzer test, but failed another that used different equipment.

Police found a bottle of Listerine in her car, and she told them she had drunk three glasses earlier in the day. Her blood alcohol level was more than three times the legal limit, police said.

According to Listerine manufacturer Pfizer Inc.'s Web site, original formula Listerine contains 26.9 percent alcohol, while other varieties contain 21.6 percent alcohol.

Ries, who entered her plea last week, could face up to 93 days in jail and a $500 fine when she is sentenced. Prosecutors agreed to drop a charge of having an open intoxicant in the vehicle

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-27-2005 07:34 PM

Obviously, Listerine is not meant for people to swallow, much less drink in any significant quantities. Nevertheless, alcoholics with little money will buy generic equivalents of Listerine or shoplift the name brand stuff as a substitute for booze.

Some married friends of mine complained to the police about a crazy lady hanging out on the porch of their next door neighbor. The cop that answered the call recognized the lady and told them about her use of Listerine. She had a boyfriend that died from using the stuff. He literally burned up his guts with it. The cop said those folks would eat baking soda to try to insulate their stomachs before downing mouthwash. That's pretty screwed up. Brushing your teeth with baking soda is nasty enough. It would be a pretty good sign that if you're eating baking soda and using Listerine as your drink of choice you've definitely got a bad drinking problem.
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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-27-2005 07:51 PM

The best way to insulate your stomach is to eat McDonalds beforehand. Good luck getting drunk soo after that!

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Michael Schaffer
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posted 01-27-2005 07:55 PM

quote: Bobby Henderson
Nevertheless, alcoholics with little money will buy generic equivalents of Listerine or shoplift the name brand stuff as a substitute for booze.

I can see why they would use Listerine as a cheap booze replacement when they actually buy it, but when shoplifting, why shouldn't they tro to steal the real thing?

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Jarryd Beard
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posted 01-27-2005 09:07 PM

Well, alcohol isn't sold in grocery stores/drug stores in many state. Most people who go into a bottle shop or state run wine/spirit store actually buy something. There's also usually a clerk within close range. On the other hand, I could see your argument in a huge supermarket or pharmacy that sells many different items. I go in these large stores all the time without buying stuff. It wouldn't be suspicious not to buy anything. Also, there isn't always an attendant in close range to watch all shoppers.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-27-2005 10:22 PM

quote: Michael Schaffer
I can see why they would use Listerine as a cheap booze replacement when they actually buy it, but when shoplifting, why shouldn't they tro to steal the real thing?

A good 1.5 liter bottle of cool mint Listerine costs around six or seven dollars (I'm guessing from a recent grocery bill). That might seem kind of expensive for an alcoholic who can't afford a bottle of Schnapps. They'll either buy the generic stuff with what little money they have or try to rip off the name brand stuff.

The police blotter listings in the paper should be funny to read once Wal-Mart puts those RFID tags all over every bit of merchandise they sell. There may be a lot of Listerine shoplifting busts happening. Then you'll probably have to show your driver's license to buy any mouthwash. Oklahomans already have to do that when buying Sudafed for a cold. That's thanks to all the meth addicts. On the upside, the Sudafed law has caused a huge drop in the number of meth labs running in the state.

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Michael Schaffer
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posted 01-27-2005 11:11 PM

The Sudafed law?

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Aaron Sisemore
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posted 01-27-2005 11:17 PM

quote: Michael Schaffer was the last to post
The Sudafed law?

Pseudoephedrine (the main ingredient in the decongestant drug Sudafed®) is a common building block for the creation of methamphetamine in many clandestine labs.

Because of the potential of the drufg to be used in this manner, many states have enacted limits on how much of products containing the drug one can purchase at one time.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-28-2005 10:35 AM

Oklahoma enacted its Sudafed law last April. Now a number of other states and even the federal government wants to copy the legislation. Here's a news story about the topic:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/26/meth.coldmedicine.ap/index.html

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Calls for cold medicine curbs in meth war

Wednesday, January 26, 2005 Posted: 10:28 AM EST (1528 GMT)

North Dakota Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem encourages his state's legislature to crack down on pseudoephedrine sales.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The fight against methamphetamine may be moving from the streets to the corner drug store.

A dozen Republican and Democratic senators want to put nonprescription cold medicines that contain pseudoephedrine, the main ingredient used to make meth, behind the counter. Consumers would have to talk to a pharmacy worker and show photo ID before purchasing Sudafed, Tylenol flu medicine or other popular remedies.

Local law enforcement officials applaud the proposed legislation, but drug industry groups are lining up against it. They argue it would create unacceptable barriers for regular customers with a headache, fever or runny nose.

"It will limit access for the legitimate consumers to cough and cold products," said Mary Ann Wagner, vice president for pharmacy regulatory affairs at the National Association of Chain Drug Stores. "They're going to have to wait in line with everybody else, take the pharmacist away from their prescription customers to police the sales of the pseudoephedrine products."

Supporters dispute that.

"Consumers can buy two or three packages of this at once at the same place they've been buying all their drugs, so the point is to cut off the meth cooks while allowing consumers to have access," said Sen. Jim Talent, R-Missouri, who was announcing the legislation Wednesday with Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, and others.

Their bill, modeled on an Oklahoma law that took effect last April, says that medicines with pseudoephedrine must be dispensed by a licensed pharmacist or pharmacy technician, and purchasers must show ID with their date of birth and sign for the product. Buyers are limited to 9 grams -- or 366 30-milligram pills -- in a 30-day period.

The government can make exceptions in areas where pharmacies are not easily accessible.

Local law enforcement officials have seen methamphetamine production skyrocket in recent years, often cooked in small quantities in kitchens or trailers. The Drug Enforcement Administration reported that more than 7,000 meth labs were dismantled nationwide in 2003.

Oklahoma officials say their law has had dramatic results, driving down meth lab seizures more than 80 percent. But pharmaceutical industry officials say the explanation isn't so clear and contend that demand reduction should be addressed.

Feinstein introduced legislation during the last congressional session to limit purchases of pseudoephedrine products, but it was opposed by the drug industry and never got a vote in the Senate. The new bill already has 12 co-sponsors, and Feinstein said the DEA has indicated support.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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Thomas Procyk
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posted 01-28-2005 11:39 AM

quote: Aaron Sisemore
Pseudoephedrine (the main ingredient in the decongestant drug Sudafed®) is a common building block for the creation of methamphetamine in many clandestine labs.

Will this be added to the Manuals section soon?

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Chris Medley
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posted 02-01-2005 06:42 AM

Yeah, they limit the sale of it in OK, then people just come down here to Texas and steal it.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 02-01-2005 12:11 PM

Texas, and every other state in the country, just needs to adopt the same legislation. Chances are very likely that will happen. As the article I quoted stated, Oklahoma meth lab seizures have dropped by 80 percent. There's a lot fewer in operation now. Scientists are also altering the composition of anhydrous ammonia to make it useless for meth production. This chemical is primarily used to fertilize crop land but meth makers drain the chemical out of hoses and storage tanks. As those developments are implemented, two primary ingredients for meth will be much harder to come by.

The Sudafed law has cut deeply into the home grown meth business. That's made in state meth dealers more desperate. Recently, 19 people were busted up in Enid as part of a drug ring that included employees at a local drug store. The large amounts of Sudafed being moved in and out of the store alerted authorities.

Naturally, this move won't get rid of the meth problem entirely. A good amount will still be imported into various parts of the country via "superlabs" in Mexico. However, part of why meth has become such a scourge for states like Oklahoma is the relative easy methods it takes to make the drug at home and make it cheaply. Many rural users don't have the cash to spend on high priced imported meth.

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