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Joshua Lott
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From: Fairbanks, AK, USA
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 - posted 09-29-2002 08:31 AM      Profile for Joshua Lott   Author's Homepage   Email Joshua Lott   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
First off I want to let everyone know that I am in no way looking to "push" my views onto any one. I am just curious about other peoples views.

I would like to know what you believe? Do you believe in God? If so do you have a particular belief/denomination?

I will go first. Yes I do believe in God. I am Christian. In particular a spirit filled Christian.

I will share more... What are your views?

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Jason Black
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 - posted 09-29-2002 08:51 AM      Profile for Jason Black   Author's Homepage   Email Jason Black   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
While I, myself, am a Christian, I see no reason as to why religion should be a topic here on Film-Tech. I'm sure that there are oters that would agree that this discussion shoudl end before it gets started as it will likely lead to numerous posts that would be 'controversial' to the many who frequent this site for it's intended purpose(s).


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Joshua Lott
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That is why I posted in "Yak." I agree that it is a controversial topic, but we are all adults here. As far as visiting the site for "intented purposes" we talk about flying cars and toilet seats so I didn't see a problem in posting this.

To Brad: If you feel this topic shouldn't be discussed here and want this thread locked I would not be offended.

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Mike Spencer
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Joshua.. I think you will find that even though tolet seats and other Important subjects are discussed.. that in not only here on this forum.. alot of "people" find religion "G-d" and other subjects of this nature.. Ojectionable.....? Makes you wonder.. doen't it... I was converted at the age of 22... And My "RELIGION" is a daily part of my life.. It enters into every aspect of my life.. And I honor you as you have the courage to start a thread of this nature... I will enjoy the responses.. Best Regards.... Mike

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Manny Knowles
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I was raised Christian. Specifically, my parents were Anglican (aka "Church of England" and sometimes "Episcopal"). I attended a school that was owned and operated by the church. Which means I went to mass twice a week...once during school and again on Sunday. I attended Sunday school as a child and -- three times in my life -- I have contemplated joining the priesthood, mainly because I thought something needed to be done about the quality of priests.

Like most kids I know, I stopped going to church when I became independent. Why? Who knows? Maybe it just didn't take; maybe it was overdone. I never went back.

While in Los Angeles, I got a taste of Judaism and it fit. I don't believe in conversion to Judaism because you either are or aren't Jewish. So I merely looked on with fascination. I also checked out non-denominational places like the famed Crystal Cathedral (all the way down in Anaheim).

When I returned to The Bahamas I fell in with some Roman Catholics and attended weekly mass at a monastery near my home. I really liked the simplicity of their service. It's been a while since I went there and I've heard that the monastery is closed now.

I'm not a "holy roller" or a "bible thumper" but a lot of the religion from my upbringing has stayed with me. My mother is INTENSELY religious. While we are both religious people, we do not always agree on how Bible scriptures ought to be interpreted.

I won't get into the particulars of what I believe (and do not believe) because that will get us all into a lot of trouble.

Note: I think this thread can work if we avoid commenting on other peoples' posts. No need to say "I agree" or "that's a load of crap." Just read the posts and/or say what you have to say ABOUT THE TOPIC and then leave quietly. Otherwise...I see a padlock coming.


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Jeffry L. Johnson
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I attended parochial school and was confirmed a Lutheran.

I just don't believe in organized religion. If it suits you, fine. But it doesn't interest me.

The Affirmations of Humanism: A Statement of Principles

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Robert E. Allen
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I, for one, appreciate the way you all are approaching this. I have found that when a person puts down another's beliefs it usually because that person is intimidated by those beliefs. I am a conservative Christian and not affiliated with any denomination. I agree with another post and really have no use for organized religion as I believe organized religion has been polluted by man and does not represent the Church our Lord founded. There is some good in most Christian churches but, for the most part, they are bogged down with man made rules and rituals. My beliefs permeate my entire life and will have a definate effect on how I run my theatres including booking some of the new, and really good, Christian films that are being made today.

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Bob
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Dave Williams
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 - posted 09-29-2002 03:13 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike Spencer said...

"...here on this forum.. alot of "people" find religion "G-d" and other subjects of this nature.. Ojectionable.....? Makes you wonder.. doen't it... "

As you are a newbie, I will be easy on you.

First of all, don't think that there is something to wonder if we find mention of religeon and or god objectionable. Actually, I think you are definately off. In fact, if you are not careful, you could sound as if you are trying to insult the majority of us. That is the fastest way to get put down. Instead, try bieng a bit more congenial.

To joshua Lott:


I myself am LDS, or mormon, and also strong-agnostic. That means while I belong to a particular religeon, as I was raised in it, and I find more comfort in it than not, I am also of the persuasion that there is no evidence that god neither exists or does not exist. I do not have "faith" as some would put it, as a scientist by nature, I find fact instead. Faith is nothing more than a series of neurons firing in just the right order. Change the order and you have schizophrenia.

I do not doubt the existance of god, but rather tend to believe that with current evidence, there might be some higher power or authority who has "guided" us along, even placed us here so many years ago.

If anyone finds offence to the discussion it is only because this is a technical forum by its very nature. While religeon comes into play in many discussions, the very discussion of who is what could very well lead into who is right and who is wrong, etc.

We try very hard to make sure that these posts do not erupt into heated debate and hatred. Remember that more atrocity has been committed in the name of god, allah, or whatever, than for any other reason. Religeon is fear based. Tech forums are fact or question driven.

So just be careful when broaching the subject. Sure it is a factor in our lives, in many cases. For me it is not a problem to share, but I do not try to encourage anyone to see it my way, I do not proseletyze. Or preach, or whatever.

So just remember to be careful when asking the question.

Dave

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Paul G. Thompson
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Just my thoughts:

If you believe in your specific religion, then stick with it and live it to the best of your ability.

Some of the most inspiring messages I have heard about living and caring about others came from pastors of congregations not associated with mine.

When my friends invite me to attend church with them, I am honored to do so. And I have done that many times.


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Brad Miller
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I am impressed and appreciate that this thread hasn't turned sour already. I figured it would have started some fires. Due to the subject matter and how strongly some people feel about this topic, if anyone sees something offensive, please alert me via email instead of starting a rant on this thread.

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Darryl Spicer
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Religions, there are many of them. Everyone has there beliefs. Religion is also miss used. People want to use religion as a reason to do something that some would feel as being wrong. Like crashing two planes into two tall buildings and saying it was done for alla (SP?) People also use religion as a tool to correct there mistakes. Like going to strip clubs and looking at pornographic material just to go to church and sit in a box and profess what they did to someone on the other side who just may be doing things wrong to small children.

Faith, everyone needs it to survive. It does not mean that it has to be associated with religion. It should be used as faith in ourselves to do the right things in life and accomplish our goals requardless if there is a higher being or not. Even if one does not believe, one should always maintain high morals for his or her own sake. Doing the wrong things makes you look bad to others. It is just possable that god could be watching you thru the eyes of others.

Praying for material things will get you nothing. Only you can achieve the means to gain these things. Hence having faith in yourself to achieve the means to aquire the good things in life is good. Having a Religion to express yourself with others can be a big plus but is not needed to achieve the good that one can give to his or her self and the people around them. Whether you believe or not God could be watching you right now thru the eyes of your neighbor.


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Joshua Lott
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"My beliefs permeate my entire life and will have a definate effect on how I run my theatres including booking some of the new, and really good, Christian films that are being made today."

I too believe that we need more good movies like some being produced by the Christian community. Now this is not only to bring people to religion, but to let people know that many of the problems in society start with building a strong family. And also just to let the people out there that think there are no other options, that there are always options and people willing to help you out in what ever sitution you are in.

I my self have always liked helping people, and was always and will always be there for my friends. This is both before and after I became a "christian."

I have always known that politics and religion are the two "no-no" subjects to bring up unless you are amongst friends. These two things run deep in a lot of peoples lives. And they have strong convictions about them. I felt that this is a community of "friends" and I applaud everyone for keeping this thread tame.

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Mike Spencer
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Dave, I am Truely sorry if you felt insulted... I didn't mean to
imply an insult..to people who have no belief or feel that the mention of religion.. outside of what is deemed "The right place"...is somehow wrong, by all means They have as much right to their point of view as anyone.. I didn't feel that By saying People who Object or find it objectnable... Were in anyway wrong or Bad... And the "It makes you wonder" Simply means That a Person who has recieved Christ finds it very hard to understand a life without him.... Again My intentions were not to insult.. And THANKS for taking it easy on me a Newbie!.. Regards... Mike

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Richard Fowler
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I grew up in a multicultural ( English, Spanish, French ) household with a large family base in which daily comparisons of religion came into play. My Grandfather on my father's side was a fire and brimstone Church of God minister, on my mother's side Catholic and in the mix Jewish cousins and uncles.
My other grandfather and father where in International business simular to my own dealings today in which I work with Protestants, Catholics,Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Shinto, Mormons, Agnostics and others where the slight differences and or sameness of Faith ( or lack of ) is evident.
I find it funny that in some situations, I am the neutral conduit of transactions in some situations between people who religious beliefs would create friction. My two Grandfathers where extreme opposites in their religous beliefs but where both right since they applied their use of it in a positive fashion. My father was ultra religious and had made a multi-decade study of many world religions. He felt that God / Spirit is....within...you...and how you use it and understand it is the most important goal. He died three weeks prior to September 11, which he predicted would come to past, not by religion but man's inhuman use of such as a sheild.
My belief is to respect where people are coming from. I find the one who use their faith as a "dagger" are usually unhappy, morally bankrupt....and usually are the ones who give me grief.....but that is another long story.
A good web-site in pondering other religions is the Rutgers University - Religion Department website.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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Well, for a long time I considered myself to be a non-denominational Christian, and in some ways, I still feel as such.
I have been developing quite a fascination with Pagan beliefs - even to the point of celebrating the sabbats.
No, I don't see a conflict.

At any rate, it's my opinion that mankind would have to be awfully arrogant to presume that there is not a higher being in the universe.

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