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Brad Miller
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 - posted 08-09-2002 02:03 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Is it just me, or is this by far the worst year of movies Hollywood has ever put out? Just take a look at some of the fabulous offerings from the three month period of August to October.

Spy Kids 2
Two bumbling kids save the world again with more CGI than Phantom Menace. Umm yeah whatever. (Robert, you need to stop this stupid kid crap and go back to making the GOOD movies you used to make. Leave the kiddie movies to Disney.)

The Country Bears
Ok so this is the exception to the rule regarding kids movies and Disney. A bear cub joins a bear band to save a bear concert hall in a stupid bear movie. PLEASE!!! (Points go to the person who cut the trailer together for killing off any chance at business whatsoever.)

Master of Disguise
Dana Carvey proves once again how little comedic talent he has. I dare you to watch this. I DARE you!

Blue Crush
Two slutty women who have nothing else to do with their time but surf enter a surf competition. Expect a sex scene, because these kind of bad movies wouldn't be complete without one.

The Adventures of Pluto Nash
A man struggles to keep control of his nightclub from mafia control in space. Oh yeah, THAT's a good idea! What in the hell is wrong with Eddie Murphy? What was he thinking? Why? Why? Why?

They
A student realizes that everything which scared her as a child could be real and it might be coming back to get her. Oooooooooooh, I just can't wait for this one! The title alone tells me they put a lot of thought into this script.

xXx
The government recruits a bad actor (Vin Diesel) who is obviously a druggie and is stoned 24/7 for a top secret mission, complete with godawful special effects and bullshit scenarios. If this movie were a porno, then maybe, just MAYBE it MIGHT be tolerable in some fashion. Of course Vin Diesel has got to go either way.

Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Pokemon #4
More torture for those who somehow got out of watching the vegetable movie. That yellow Pikachu needs a nice red bloodbath.

The Ring
A videotape makes the phone ring and tells people they have only one week left to live. A reporter and her son decide they don't want the videotape to kill them and of course figure out why before the movie is over so they will not die themselves. (I actually am guessing the part about how they figure it out and do not die...because Hollywood can't make a movie that ends any other way.)

Jackass The Movie
Didn't we have enough of Johnny Knoxville on his low rent Jackass cable show? This one just screams "Freddy Got Fingered" all over it.

Even art houses are not safe any more...
Full Frontal
Stevey Sodaburger gets cheap industry attention by videotaping his movie on a consumer videocamera...and Lucas drools all over it in the press because "it's digital"! I find it funny that the tagline for this movie is "everybody needs a release". Yeah Sodaburger, more than you know!

Why in the world do we still have customers when this is the kind of CRAP we are running? I don't mean to be too negative here, but is there anything at all to look forward to between now and the time that the repeat holiday package from last year of Potter and LOTR opens?


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Rachel Gilardi
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xXx wasn't really that bad. Not my favorite movie ever but definatly entertaining. I see a sequel in the works, it just ended that way. Special effects weren't bad, actually they were pretty good! As for Vin, I'm not a big fan but he fit this role well...

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Mike Schindler
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Actually, I think that this looks to be the best year for film since 1999 (which was groundbreaking). Sure, there have been a shitload of bad movies, but what about all of the great movies? STAR WARS: EPISODE II--ATTACK OF THE CLONES, BLADE II, MINORITY REPORT, and FULL FRONTAL have all been worthy of four stars. In addition to these, we have CROSSROADS, PANIC ROOM, INSOMNIA, THE SUM OF ALL FEARS, and new movies that we still haven't seen by P.T. Anderson, Steven Soderbergh, Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, Takeshi Kitano (if we're lucky), Kathryn Bigelow, Jonas Akerlund, Jonathan Demme, Martin Scorsese, and Brett Ratner. Then there's new Star Trek and James Bond pictures, and two movies starring Julianne Moore. That's a pretty good year.

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Charles Everett
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WB/Castle Rock have sat on Pluto Nash for over a year and will dump it next weekend. From what I've heard it's the worst movie of Eddie Murphy's career.

The Country Bears is "Corporate Synergy" run amuck -- take something you've created and make millions of products based on it. This movie is based on Country Bear Jamboree, a kid attraction at Disneyland. Why is the movie tanking? The bears in the movie are in a rock band. Country Bear Jamboree has a bluegrass band.

At least The Master of Disguise had a decent 1st weekend -- Dana Carvey does a GWBush impersonation which the newspaper ads are playing up.

Full Frontal? You can tell what a piece of it is when a NY-area megaplex opens it day-and-date with Manhattan -- then drops it after the first week.

Rachel, you're really chipper! Revolution Studios has already greenlighted a sequel for xXx even before the original opens! Not only that, New Line pays homage this week to America's newest action hero -- NY metro newspapers have ads today for Goldmember showing Mini-Me as xXx.


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Dave Williams
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I am in agreement Brad. Too much crap, even from seasoned pros like Snotterburger, Loocus, Rodreeggesss, Dissnee, etc.

Normally you expect better. With Rodreeggesss, he wants to direct a whole massive series of Spy Kids. He needs to stop it. The problem, while he is getting back to his roots with Once Upon A Time In Mexico, it is shot.. geuss what... on video. DAMN HIM.

Dave

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Darryl Spicer
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>>WB/Castle Rock have sat on Pluto Nash for over a year and will dump it next weekend. From what I've heard it's the worst movie of Eddie Murphy's career.<<

Does anyone remember a little piece of crap called Best Defense. Eddie Murphy was top billed in that and I think he was only in it like 10mins.

Roger Ebert gave xXx 31/2 stars. I found the movie entertaining too.

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Mike Schindler
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I'm curious. Would everyone hate FULL FRONTAL as much as they do now if it were shot on film?

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Brad Miller
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Full Frontal would not have been the same movie if it had been shot on film and with a budget. If my understanding is correct, this was in mind during the writing of the script. As such I feel that is an unfair comparison. The whole thing with Sodaburger shooting with a consumer videocamera is just a lame marketing thing to me. Because he had quality of the "digital" videotape intentionally degraded all for "artistic purposes", the same quality and "artistic effect" could have been made with an analog videocamera, like VHS. Yet he shot with a "digital" videocamera to get the press hype.

Rachel, if I ever am working at a theater that is booked for the sequel xXxXx, will you come screen it for me?


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Mike Blakesley
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I agree with Brad about that Country Bears trailer. I ran the trailer one weekend (with "Ice Age" I believe) and realized it would turn prople off in droves, so we have not played it since. The movie is booked for next week, so we'll see.

For the record, the Country Bear Jamboree is at Walt Disney World, not Disneyland, and it's actually a fun attraction. If the movie would have been animated, it might have been more bearable (sorry).

And, I hear that Disney is making movies based on The Haunted Mansion and Pirates of the Carribean, too. (What, no "Tower of Terror"?)

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Mike Schindler
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Even though he was intentionally degrading the quality in post- production, I think that it made sense for Soderbergh to shoot on miniDV as opposed to an analog-based format for a number of reasons. First off, why not? VHS (and even Hi8) camcorders are a thing of the past. Almost all of the new consumer cameras are digital. It would make no sense for him to use one of the older formats. Secondly, the XL1s allowed him to shoot in PAL. Thirdly, the footage existing on miniDV made it easy to suck directly into the computer to edit on Final Cut Pro. Finally, the XL1s gave Soderbergh control over certain variables, such as exposure and white balance, that most consumer cameras wouldn't have. If he had decided to use a professional analog camera, It would have probably been more expensive, less practical, and, most importantly, bigger. In addition to all of this, the XL1s allowed Soderbergh to look at the image in the proper aspect ratio.

I also don't think that Soderbergh is the type of person who does things for the hype. If that was the case, I don't think we'd see things like FULL FRONTAL. Also, if he was trying to buy into the whole digital buzz word thing, then why didn't he shoot SOLARIS digitally?

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Aaron Sisemore
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>>Does anyone remember a little piece of crap called Best Defense. Eddie Murphy was top billed in that and I think he was only in it like 10mins.<<

Actually only Dudley Moore got the top billing: Near the bottom-center of the poster was 'Strategic Guest Star EDDIE MURPHY' printed as if it was rubber-stamped on.

I have the poster in a box around here somewhere

but yes, it was an obvious attempt to try to cash-in on Murphy's success after '48 Hrs' and 'Trading Places'... and it was a gamble that didn't pay off.

-Aaron


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Bill Gabel
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Brad
Since Pokemon jumped ship from Warner to Miramax. What about this
idea "Pokemon 5: Meet the Spy Kids on Halloween" Miramax would have three movies in one.

If I remember right in "Best Defense". Eddie Murphy and Dudley Moore
never meet in the movie.

On Mr. Soderbergh, Everyone is talking about his next film "Solaris".
He is also the Executive Producer on a film called "Naqoyqatsi" for
Miramax. "Naqoyqatsi" is the third film from Director Godfrey Reggio.
(Koyaanisqatsi 1983, Powaqqatsi 1988). We ran the work prints for
him and the director. The work print looked great and the digital
sound mix from the DD8 was great also.



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Mike Schindler
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It's great that Reggio is finally getting to finish his trilogy. KOYAANISQATSI and POWAQQATSI come out on DVD on September 17.

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John Daily
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Actually, The Ring is an American remake of an amazing Japanese horror film called Ringu which is, in turn, based on a Japanese novel that was, in turn, based on a Japanese urban legend. The smartest thing for American filmmakers to do would be to pull another Psycho / Vanilla Sky move and just copy the original. It is Japan's highest grossing horror film ever (and if you're familiar with Japanese horror films, you realize that's quite an achievement), and it has spawned 2 other films, plus tons of movie tie-in merch (in Japan). The film itself is very creepy and subtle in spots...quite unnerving and highly recommended. I really hope Hollywood doesn't screw it up and change anything. I am very much looking forward to the remake.

As for The Adventures of Pluto Nash being Eddie Murphy's worst ever, my god, that's quite an achievement, too, isn't it? How in the world can he "top" such gems as Vampire In Brooklyn, Beverly Hills Cop II and III, Harlem Nights, Another 48 Hours, Boomerang, Metro, Holy Man...the list goes on and on. I can count the number of good films he's made on one hand...and two of those are animated.

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Ian Price
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The good news Brad is that in 10 year's you will not remember this years crap as you rail against that year's crap.

One day at the end of a Siskal and Ebert show where everything was crap, Siskal asked Ebert why they even bothered. Ebert thought for a split second and said that 'every now and then, not very often, magic happens. And it's worth sitting through tons of crap in order to be there when the magic happens.'

Meanwhile, while we are all waiting for the magic to happen, I will gladly accept your $8.50.

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