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David Stambaugh
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My guess is Brainstorm. In the greater Los Angeles area, it seemed like almost every theater with 70mm capability booked that movie, in 70mm. Was it like that across the country?

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Bill Gabel
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We did the print checks for that picture in 70mm.
I ran so many reels of "Brainstorm" for grading.
Later I found out MGM junked around 20+ prints
in 70mm.

This was a great show at the Cary Grant theatre
on the Sony lot.

I was based in Los Angeles at the time.


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Mark Lensenmayer
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According to the excellent list compiled by Michael Coate And William Kallay for Widescreen Review (post- Dr. Hayes-era), the record is held by INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM with over 240 70mm engagements.

BRAINSTORM had more than 100 engagements.



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Gordon McLeod
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In Toronto the widest was probably StarTrek voyage home with 15 prints in toronto alone

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Aaron Haney
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Mark, I have a saved copy of that Widescreen Reivew article. It used to be online. Do you know what happened to it?

243 70mm prints, just for that one movie! The article also says that year (1984) was the year with the most 70mm prints in circulation (more than 600 prints). Boy do I miss those days...


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David Stambaugh
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I subscribe to Widescreen Review. Guess I need to figure out how to use the "subscriber-only" area of their web site.

So when all those 70mm prints went back to the distributor, were they treated the same as 35mm? I mean were they given any special inspection or archival, or are they considered just so much junk?

Anyone ever seen a 70mm double-feature? I did, once. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, with Star Trek 5 (I think it was 5). Interesting observation: Indiana Jones looked WAY sharper than Star Trek. It was like Indy got the "A" treatment during the blowup or at the lab, and Star Trek got the "B" treatment.


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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Twice the Case Western Reserve University Film Society ran four 70mm prints as part of their annual science fiction film marathon. In 1986 they ran Dune, WarGames, Quest for Fire, and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. In 1988 they ran Cocoon, Clan of the Cave Bear, Altered States, and Outland. Plus on the Tuesday before the marathon they played a 30fps print of Oklahoma and the weekend after the marathon they played The Untouchables. That was 6 prints in 11 days.

Sniff, those were the days.

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Bill Gabel
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When I was at Pacific's Picwood in the early 80's.
We ran more 70mm than any other theatre in Los Angeles, and
we did the business. The booking department would try to
put a 70mm print in the house. We had "Apocalypse Now" for
6 months, this was after the Cinerama Dome moved it over.
Before we got "Wolfen" in 70mm, we got "Apocalypse Now"
back for 2 weeks. We had double features of "Alien" & "Close Encounters", "Jazz Singer" & "Zoot Suit" in Sensurround Plus, "Sleeping Beauty" & "Black Hole", "Fame" & "Divine Madness". "Empire Strikes Back" and "Raiders of the Lost
Ark" each for a few weeks then doubled up. Than we sold
out for 3 1/2 months with "ET". The Picwood was a 950 seat
single screen theatre in West Los Angeles. Over on the old
palaces along Wilshire Blvd. in Beverly Hills my friends ran
some of the longest double features like "My Fair Lady" &
"Camelot", "Hello Dolly" & "West Side Story", plus a few more
long titles all in 70mm. Every year these theatres would play
like clock work in 70mm, prints of "Gone With The Wind",
"Sound of Music", "My Fair Lady"..... The best one I saw was
at The Pacific's Warner Beverly Hills. It was "Patton" in 70mm
and "The Longest Day" in 4 track Mag. Great Show ):


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John Pytlak
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Some links:
http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/december98/pppp.shtml
http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/march99/pytlak.shtml
http://hjem.get2net.dk/in70mm/magazine/magazine_index.htm
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/lobby.htm
http://www.widescreenreview.com/archive/issuedvd.html (Coate and Kallay article)

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Aaron Haney
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What I was talking about was that the Coate and Kallay article used to be available online to anyone, even to non-subscribers of Widescreen Review. The database of 70mm films was also onine and searchable. A couple of months ago, it disappeared. The URL was:

http://db.widescreenreview.com/theatrical/70mmartcl.htm

It seems to be gone now. Does anyone know where it went? Did Widescreen Review decide they wanted to make it a pay-only thing?

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John Pytlak
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The link I provided offers the issue the article is in for sale:
http://www.widescreenreview.com/archive/issuedvd.html
WideScreen Review Back Issues

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Mark Lensenmayer
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The 70mm article from Widescreen Review and the database are now in the subscriber only section. I think they changed it when they moved to the subscriber only site.

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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There are the 70mm lists at Thomas Hauerslev's Xperymints.

70mm lists


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Michael Coate
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quote:
In Toronto the widest was probably StarTrek voyage home with 15 prints in toronto alone

Toronto was definitely a huge market for 70mm, perhaps among the top three or four markets in North America. For "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" in the Southern California market, there were seventeen 70mm engagements. In the latter weeks of the run, at least six additional theaters that I'm aware of played prints that had been moved-over from the initial batch of theaters that booked the movie.

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Michael Coate
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quote:
My guess is Brainstorm. In the greater Los Angeles area, it seemed like almost every theater with 70mm capability booked that movie, in 70mm.

There were 13 opening day engagements of "Brainstorm" that I'm aware of for the L.A. area, with four additional 70mm runs added when the film had its expanded nationwide release a few weeks later. I believe there were over 100 70mm runs throughout the country.

Prior to "Brainstorm" the most 70mm engagements for one release in Southern California was "Return Of The Jedi" (18).

Post "Brainstorm" (in L.A.):

25 engagements of "2010"

24 engagements of "Dick Tracy" (including a few with CDS sound)

There were 23 70mm prints of "Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom," including 70mm prints for all three screens of Mann's Chinese and two prints at the Orange Cinedome.

Other films with more than a dozen 70mm prints for the L.A. area that I'm aware of include "Cocoon," "Young Sherlock Holmes," "Aliens," "Star Trek III," "Star Trek IV " (which included the first commercial screenings of the Dolby Stereo SR format at two theaters), "Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade" (with the only known advertised "split surround" format runs in Hollywood and Westwood -- there were others; they just were never advertised), "Far And Away," and (who would have guessed) "Hoffa."

The 70mm runs with the most prints throughout North America were "Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom," "2010," and "Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade," all with over 200 prints in circulation. I'd hate to have seen the lab bill for those runs(!), but the effort and expense was certainly worth it for quality-conscious moviegoers.

Those were the days! It's sad to think that the only 70mm we get today is the occasional retrospective screening or the IMAX/Large-Format versions of 70mm. As nice as it is to have an opportunity to see something like "Beauty And The Beast" in Large Format, it's sickening to think about the cluelessness of the distribution arms of the studios and the exhibitors who cannot grasp the reasoning for keeping 5-perf 70mm alive as a viable release format. It would have made more sense, in my opinion, to have released "Beauty And The Beast" in "conventional" 5-perf 70mm rather than 8- or 15-perf 70mm. Converting "conventional" movies to IMAX or, worse, showing 35mm prints on IMAX screens is all marketing, nothing more, nothing less.

Michael Coate
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