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Paul Cassidy
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 - posted 12-11-2001 03:12 AM      Profile for Paul Cassidy   Author's Homepage   Email Paul Cassidy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well you may ask why ? my friend at the Crystal Palace Cinema was going to replace his Screen as the light was not the best after putting New Mirrors in the Peerless Magnarcs and cleaning the Port glass ,(Amps to spare but not with 6ooo ft reels)as the Carbons are maxed out, 30' by 15' approx with a throw of 100' approx. now he is asking about painting Matt white , I've got a Blue Book for projectionist ,but is there any modern way of painting this sucessfully without blocking the holes in the screen and making a mess , you see we have an Indian (Asian) Movie starting on the weekend and we have to compete with 2 modern Cinema's (as it is being shown in 3 theatres at once) and they have better light ,sound and seating , the only thing in our favour is the number seated in 1 session 7oo approx. and the charm of an old cinema .

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Jerry Chase
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Big Al is probably going to roll over in his grave, but it is possible to paint an ancient screen to rescue it at minimal expense. That said, it is far better to replace the screen entirely. The only reasons to paint a screen are short term financial difficulties or
a defacing spot that can't be cleaned and a new screen isn't available.

The process is straightforward. Clean the screen throroughly, both front and back, brushing off loose dirt first and then wiping down with a non-residue cleaner (spic-n-span) and rinsing down with water and drying with absorbant paper towels. Any dirt left on the screen front or back will ruin the job.

The critical holes are the ones in front of the speakers. These are the only holes that pass high frequency sound. You can take a chance that a thin (dry roller) layer of paint rolled on in that area won't occlude the holes, or you can ream the holes when the paint is partly dry, or you can stick round toothpick ends through them from the back prior to painting and remove the toothpicks as the paint dries.

Painting is done with a roller working from top to bottom, left to right, never stopping until complete. There used to be screen paints (there still may be) but most high titanium dioxide content ceiling paint will work well.

Painting will cover water stains, even out patches, and cover shiney spots where people have improperly cleaned a screen. Once a screen is painted, start budgeting for a replacement. There may be some sound muffling even if you keep the holes as clear as possible, and painting a second time isn't a good idea.

I've projected onto expensive screens, and I've projected onto painted sheetrock. I personally prefer the look of painted sheetrock because I feel screen holes can be distracting and allow specular reflections from rigging behind the screen. The problem is that this only works for a very small screen because speakers can't be properly placed behind the screen.


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Paul Cassidy
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Thanks for that ,my preference would be New and there was an offer to supply one from a Complex that didn't like the look of a New one just installed , so I will try to convince him to upgrade , I have also tried to get him to use the original curved frame that is supporting the flat....but how much blood can be quezzed from a stone?:-) mind you having enough Carbons to last a show will keep me happy ,so I don't have to start praying near the end of a Big reel.

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Gordon McLeod
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The best method is to spray the screen with light coats (if it is a gain screen the aluminum paint must be put on very thin or the plastic will melt)
Vacum the back of the screen while still wet to unclog the hole

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Evans A Criswell
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quote:
I've projected onto expensive screens, and I've projected onto painted sheetrock. I personally prefer the look of painted sheetrock because I feel screen holes can be distracting

There was one occasion, when I watched Runaway Bride on August 1, 1999 at the 13:35 showing at Regal River Oaks Cinema 8 in Decatur, AL, that I noticed the holes in the screen. It made the image look like it had a "pixel structure" to it. I was sitting in the fourth row and the focus was perfect, and I've found that perfect focus makes the holes more likely to be visible, maybe because it causes people's eyes to pay more attention to small details like that? I've never noticed the holes from farther back than the fourth row.


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John Pytlak
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Any theatre that has a smaller screen, with the front rows sitting close enough to see the normal 1.2 millimetre screen perforations, should consider the use of the new smaller "MP" 0.5 millimetre perforations. However, the greater attenuation of high frequencies by the smaller holes will require reequalizing the theatre sound system.

For example, here is a link to information about Harkness Hall "mini-perf" in their "Happenings Newsletter - issue 4":
http://www.harknesshall.com/news1.htm

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Don Sneed
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I had a theatre owner painted a screen with "kilt"(white paint primer)someone wrote on the screen with magic marker in several places, so he decided to paint over it with Kilt....The screen looked damn good, almost like new, he was so proud of his work & idea.....I walked in to make a service call & saw him painting, I said you can't use that on a screen..he said look how good it looks like brand new....I said let me go put a light on the screen.....Whooooo weeeeeee I busted his bubble......it was worst than having the writing on the screen.....he brought a new screen !!

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Randy Stankey
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Is this screen just so far beyond help that a good cleaning won't tide you over until you can save up for a replacement screen? If it's a gain screen or a textured surface then, of course, cleaning is probably out.

Just thinking it'd be a cheap way to get by until you can do the right thing.

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Jerry Chase
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Don, that stuff is Kilz, not kilt. Of course, many screens have skirts...

Evans, what can I say? I'm easily distracted watching a movie. If there is any reflection at all from behind the screen it drives me nuts. I particularly notice the "ghosts" on high contrast scenes and credits.

Gordon, that is a cool idea to vaccum (never could spell that word either) out the excess paint from the holes. I'll bet it works like a charm. I still think rolling on the paint is a better idea because of the probability of overspray, equipment setup time, and general fuss. (Painting silver excepted of course.)


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Paul Cassidy
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The good thing to say about it at the moment is that it is dark and hard to see , but it looks quite yellow , the easiest thing to do is get a New piece of screen (or cloth) and compare to sections of the screen to see if there is a big difference ,there is a join in the screen as well which does not help, as I said before we have Amps to Spare but if we use the big Reels we can't have them up too high, only if going 20min reel to reel and there is up to 12 reels some times , Guess we should try cleaning first to see if it makes a difference.

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Jerry Chase
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If the yellow is from age and not tobacco smoke, you might find the screen is brittle and will tear if you apply too much pressure. You could end up replacing it because it falls apart when you attempt to clean it.

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Evans A Criswell
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Jerry said:
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Evans, what can I say? I'm easily distracted watching a movie. If there is any reflection at all from behind the screen it drives me nuts. I particularly notice the "ghosts" on high contrast scenes and credits.

Yes, I notice reflections from behind the screen and I've noticed them in every theatre I've ever been to, and understand that it's just a "necessary evil". I would never mention it in my ratings or deduct for it unless it were really bad to the point that the average customer would notice it excessively. Even black objects reflect some light, especially those with smooth, shiny surfaces. Someone needs to invent a "dark bulb" that emits darkness instead of light for such uses. [I'm being very facetious].

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Greg Mueller
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To minimize those annoying reflections and reduce "bounce" off the backside of the screen, I find it helpfull to use inexpensive black car carpet (Home Depot) to create a wall around and in front of the speakers, cutting out holes for the speakers and ports to see through. You can see a picture at.... http://users.silverlink.net/~mueller/film17.htm

PS Hurley screens are about half the price of the competition. (At least mine was)
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Dennis Atkinson
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Evans,
If you use a dark bulb, it would be a camera

Paul
What kind of port glass is it?
What lenses are being used?

Dennis

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Gordon McLeod
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Everything backstage should be painted flat black and then there should be no problem

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