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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 04-07-2001 08:35 PM

A real POS. We all know that.

What size claw hammer do I use to rip out what specific files so I can load IE 5.0 without destroying the entire windows 98 directory?

That 5.5 is nothing short of a bug infested program that never seems to work properly.

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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.

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From: Dallas, TX
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 04-07-2001 08:51 PM

If you upgraded from 5.0, you should be able to uninstall the upgrade from the control panel (add/remove programs). I wasn't real fond of 5.5 myself.

Otherwise, you could download 5.5 service pack 1 from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com . This fixed a lot of my problems, but just didn't "do it" for me. I'm running 5.01 SP1 now, and will probably download SP2 this weekend.

If you're feeling particularly adventurous, I hear the beta version of 6.0 has been released...

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
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posted 04-07-2001 09:06 PM

Hi, Adam.

It is not possible to remove 5.5 through add/remove programs. The only option available is to "FIX" it, but that often fails.

Beta 6.0? Oh, God......

They should get their old crap running correctly before they screw up something else.

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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.

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From: Dallas, TX
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posted 04-07-2001 09:19 PM

Job security.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
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posted 04-07-2001 10:26 PM

6.0 beta? I thought IE 4.0-5.5 were all betas! Actually they are, based on the fact that they are all pretty buggy (some more than others).

With 6.0 they are probably beta testing it to see which bugs they need to add. They need to make sure it will give everyone some grief and not just most people.

Actually, they're not bugs. They're "features".

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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posted 04-07-2001 10:43 PM

Actually, Joe, the 5.01 seems to be a good browser when all the updates (about 30 megs worth) are downloaded and installed.

I have had very good luck with it.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 04-08-2001 02:17 AM

I am using IE version 5C. Of course I am on a Mac. It's probably one of the better browsers on the system, but every once in awhile it will crash hard for absolutely no reason at all. Well except for being programmed by MicroSoft. Netscape works well but it is just too slow for me.

Both IE and Netscape work much faster when you assign the cache to a RAM DISK. Both browsers slowly reload when you hit the "back" button otherwise.

You can do RAM DISKS in Windows, right? I honestly have no idea.

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Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 99

posted 04-08-2001 02:29 AM

Well, just because I'm a masocist and I don't know any better, I just upgraded to IE6.0 public preview.

So far, I notice absolutly no difference. The About section tells me that this is IE6.0 and that it is based on Mosaic. But it looks exactly the same and so far behaves exactly the same.

There is one new icon on the tool bar. It is called a Personal Bar, but I haven't clicked on it yet.

They didn't even dress it up like the MSN Explorer.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Jason Burroughs
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Allen, TX
Registered: Jun 99

posted 04-08-2001 03:21 AM

Joe,

Regarding Windows 95 - ME the swap file is general managed by Windows itself unless specified otherwise by the user. It is also known a virtual memory. Typical settings is 0 minimum with a max being the size of the C partition. With Windows NT the swap file should be set with a minimum matching the physical RAM, and a max double that. IE if physical RAM is 128MB then minimum should be 128 and max be 256. You can set a larger swapfile but it will not be utilized. One of the major advantages of NT is the ditching of the DOS memory model that is still used in current version of Windows (98 & ME) the OS can only access 640KB of memory at one time. the rest is utilized by page files. When a user gets a Page Fault error it is generall caused by the corruption of the data in one of these page files. NT skips all this and is just one reason NT is more stable. Windows ME is the last release on the old DOS kernel. Windows XP is based on the NT kernel.

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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
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posted 04-08-2001 03:45 AM

VM takes some of your hard drive and sections it off for use as if it were RAM. You get the appearence of RAM but at the cost of speed.

What Joe is taking about is RAM disk. It is the exact opposite of Virtual Memory. This is done by taking some of your exess RAM and telling the system that it's OK to pretend that it's a hard drive. Mondo-fast but eats up your RAM if you don't have a lot.

PS: Joe; did you install that firmware upgrade? (2.1.7) I did and had no problems with my 3rd party RAM. How about you? I'm still wondering if I should "downgrade" back to 2.1.6.

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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.

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posted 04-08-2001 10:13 AM

From everything I've read about MSIE 6.0, it will finally conform to w3c standards. Hypothetically, this means that web designers no longer have to program "work-arounds" to get the stupid thing to work the way it's supposed to.

If a designer places a !doctype tag specifying which standard to follow, the browser will automatically follow that standard. If there is no !doctype tag, the browser defaults to the unstandard 5.x crap that it was displaying before. That is why Ian has not noticed any change; no one is using the !doctype tag yet.

More info at Webmonkey

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Joe Redifer
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posted 04-08-2001 04:25 PM

Randy -

I have not installed the firmware upgrade. I really don't think that I need to. My G4 is running purty sweet as it is. I don't have any 3rd party RAM. Just one big 256 meg stick. I did upgrade firmware a long time ago and noticed no difference. I don't think you can downgrade firmware.

Virtual memory sucks. I always have it turned off. I can't believe X doesn't even allow you to turn it off.

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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
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posted 04-08-2001 04:44 PM

I use VM sometimes when I'm doing a really big PhotoShop file or something like that. I don't care one way or another about it. Matter of fact, I don't even know if I have it on or off right now.

Now, RAM disk! I forgot all about that! Up until recently, I didn't have enough RAM to even think about it! Now I have 192MB. That's enough to start using it modestly, isn't it? Now, tell me... what were you doing? Putting your IE cache file into RD? How much space are you giving it?

Wanna' buy another 64MB of Apple's RAM? I just took it out. (It's PC 100 / iMac, the kind you use, right?) I have a little application that checks your RAM for you to make sure it's compliant with Apple's new "stricter" standards. All my RAM checks out. (Got it from Ram-Jet.)

Apple published a 2.1.6 firmware "update" on iDisk shortly after this whole question came up. I was thinking about downloading it. but as long as things are running OK then I'll leave it as-is. Like you, I noticed no real differences.

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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posted 04-08-2001 07:49 PM

Virtual memory (swap) is generally a Good Thing. I can't really think of a reason why anyone would want to turn it off, unless the disk performance on a given system is just horrible.

When setting up virtual memory, performance can be increased significantly if the swap space is on a different partition or (preferably) physical disk from the one where most of the disk activity is taking place. This is easy to set up on WinNT or Unix systems (some of which can be made to use the /tmp partition for swap space as well), but I'm not sure on how to do this with other OSes.

RAM disks are pretty archaic. They might have made sense at one time for PCs where floppies and slow MFM hard disks were common, but they're pretty much obsolete now, although the idea of using one for a browser cache is an interesting idea. The problem here, though, is that in most cases that would just mean trading disk activity caused by the browser cache for disk activity caused by increased need for swapping to virtual memory, thus killing any potential performance improvement. If you had a few gigs of RAM, though, this might make sense.

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Steven Gorsky
Expert Film Handler

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From: Frederick, MD, USA
Registered: Sep 2000

posted 04-08-2001 08:08 PM

I beleive you can tell a Mac where to place the swap file.

On Netscape you can set sizes for the memory cache and disk cache. Setting the memory cache to a good size would be like using a ram disk.

Steven Gorsky

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