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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 03-21-2001 08:50 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK, this isn't really news, but I figured that I'd post the link for those who don't read Slashdot:
http://www.latimes.com/print/20010320/t000024226.html

Basically, some film marketers are creating fake fan web sites to promote their films.

The idea seems kind of unethical to me, as well as pretty ineffective, but you never know...

Jerry Chase
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 - posted 03-21-2001 11:09 PM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Business as usual. Ever look at the reviews in movie ads? They actually used to mean something back in the 1970s. Look further back... "The Tingler" was shameless marketing to the uneducated that we look on as fun hokum. "Banned in Boston!" was used as marketing to bring in greater grosses from people looking for lewdness. I suppose some people are taken in by hype, but the tradition goes back before P.T. Barnum and is a part of all theatre.

One of the unique features of movies is that each film is an individually marketed product, and yet the theatres have to try to build a regular audience for the long run.
This is a recipie for disaster over the long term. I remember promoting films at the drive-in years ago, getting a good crowd to show, and then having the film turn out to be a total rip-off. People drove out mid-show and never returned. After about the third time, I said "Screw this!" and told the D.M. that he could forget about my promoting the schlock. Part of the demise of the drive-in theatres was caused by the repeated disappointment of customers that had been suckered by promotions.

Our industry as a whole has no interest in building a reputation for consistant great entertainment. Every man is out for himself, and the local theatre owner usually ends up on the short end of the stick. I'd be more surprised if someone said that the folks in Hollywood weren't using bogus web sites.


Joe Redifer
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 - posted 03-22-2001 05:43 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm not surprised at all. Although I never look up informations on movies on the internet (other than Film-Tech) so I am unlikely to find and be influenced by them. Did they do this for Perfect Storm? I can't believe that movie did so well. It was boring and all of the water effects were rendered at 640 x 480, making it look extremely fake.



Tim Reed
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 - posted 03-23-2001 02:22 AM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
all of the water effects were rendered at 640 x 480

Joe, you're kidding, right?

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 03-23-2001 02:53 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Of course I am! I'm just saying that the water effects looked really, really bad. In fact, I don't think I've seen a movie yet that has realistic looking computer water. Even Titanic, although it used real water for 98% of the scenes.

Charles Everett
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One small theater chain in New Jersey runs ads in the Newark Star-Ledger every week touting that it plays "Art & Family Hits". One of those "Art & Family Hits" is xXx.

This chain also calls Tadpole "This Summer's Hottest Adult Comedy". Tadpole is rated PG-13 -- and its per-theater average is lower than Possession or The Good Girl.

Scott: Universal reportedly used phony fan sites to promote Blue Crush before it opened.


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Thomas Procyk
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 - posted 08-24-2002 11:16 AM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The facts are right there:

If a studio has to create a FAKE fan site, the movie sucks.
If the movie has a REAL fan site (with REAL fans, of course) then it may actually be pretty good.

As for the water effects looking fake, every time I see a trailer or clip or TV spot for xXx, and they show that avalanche scene, it looks worse than the ice falling in the beginning of "Ice Age"!! (at least the latter was supposed to be a cartoon!)

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 08-25-2002 02:07 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A movie with bad CGI water effects, and just plain horrible CGI all the way around: "Deep Blue Sea." The wave effects in that film made "The Perfect Storm" sea effects look great by comparison. But then the real laughable star of the bad-CGI show in "Deep Blue Sea" is those fake CGI sharks. Even Bruce-the-shark from "Jaws" looked better than those cartoony abominations!

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David Stambaugh
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 - posted 08-25-2002 08:24 PM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Having worked with computer animators & artists for the last 9 years, I can vouch for how difficult it is for them to get water to look right. Water is always tough. Also fire/flames. Hollywood has gone way overboard (sorry) in its reliance on CGI for special effects, and it's safe to say that CGI water in a movie might as well be accompanied by a voice-over that says "We know this looks completely fake. Please forgive us." K-19's underwater CGI effects ranged from passable to terrible. When something like that looks really bad, it destroys the whole "illusion of reality". Can you imagine if Jaws were being made today what it would look like? It would be loaded with bad CGI water and shark effects. At least with Bruce the Shark they could do numerous takes and use some clever editing to heighten the realism. With CGI it's all right there and if it isn't right, it stands out like a sore thumb.


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John Pytlak
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 - posted 08-26-2002 10:52 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I recall that Steven Spielberg felt the mechanical problems with "Bruce" the shark actually helped make "Jaws" the tremendous success it was. Because of the problems, the actual screen time for "Bruce" was minimal, and mostly during the climactic end of the film, so the movie relied on the power of the cinematography, editing, and music to build suspense, rather than images of the (fake) shark itself:
http://www.jawsmovie.com/

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