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Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9390
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-24-2000 12:47 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As of late I have been getting a terrific amount of SPAM originating from Yahoo.com's mail server. All of which has invalid return information to remove from the lists
I no forward every one of them to the postmaster@yahoo.com with a complaint attached.
Have any others been experieincing this problem

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Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1714
From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-24-2000 01:52 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
No, most of the spam I get is a result of my own doing. I keep a hotmail account and that is the only address I put in forms. My business address is only used for people.

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Evans A Criswell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1579
From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 11-24-2000 08:28 PM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For several years now, I've been getting quite a bit of spam on all of my email accounts, whether they be for work, for friends, or seldom-used ones. Most of those messages are easily recognized and I just delete them without reading. The ones I really hate are those that have subject lines that look like a reply from a friend. Spam can be a nuisance, but I much prefer it to spam telephone calls.

Spam is there and it will probably never go away, since anyone can get an internet account and mass-mail to lists of email addresses they can buy or gather.

Evans
httpL//home.hiwaay.net/~criswell/theatre/


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Scott Norwood
Film God

Posts: 7867
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-24-2000 08:42 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Spam sucks. Check out http://spamcop.net/ for some helpful information.

I get about a dozen messages a day now, which is really bad. So far, I've really been using only two filtering rules with procmail and I've been able to junk about 10% of my incoming spam automatically, while rarely junking anything legitimate. The first filter checks to ensure that the Message-ID header is syntactically valid; invalid Message-ID headers are generally created only by horribly broken mail clients and some types of spam software. The other filter looks for the existence of an "Apparently-To" header which is inserted by Sendmail when it receives a message without a To: or BCC: header (at least one of which is required by RFC822). Again, this sort of thing would only be created by horribly broken mail clients and spam software (though apparently our "good friends" [yeah, right] at Network Solutions have a horribly broken cgi script that sends malformed email messages which get filtered by my second rule; they haven't responded to my phone calls about this.)

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Bruce McGee
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1776
From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
Registered: Aug 1999


 - posted 11-25-2000 10:10 AM      Profile for Bruce McGee   Email Bruce McGee   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've been getting alot of spam from the Yahoo servers only on this account. I wonder how they got me...

Anyway, I forward all of it to abuse@yahoo.com. They've nailed 2 so far, but all others were fake headers.

I hate spam. If anybody reading this is the cause of this, I hate you, and hope your hard-drive crashes and burns. A good lightning strike in the right place? Hmmm......

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Randy Stankey
Film God

Posts: 6355
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-26-2000 08:08 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
don't get much spam that I can't track down to some place I've been on the 'net.

Earthlink is pretty good with spam. They have some kind of port blocking thing going on so they don't send e-mail from outside sources.

I use a mailcity account as a spam-bucket. The account name has NOTHING to do with my real name so they can't do the "johnsmith@xyz.com" thing. Second when I go to a site that asks for my name and e-mail address, I always misspell something that gives me a clue where it came from.

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Ken Layton
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1452
From: Olympia, Wash. USA
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 11-26-2000 09:48 PM      Profile for Ken Layton   Email Ken Layton   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I just got a bunch of porno spam sent to me this morning on AOL within minutes of each other about 10 am this morning. I have forwarded it to AOL's spam dept.

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Evans A Criswell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1579
From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 11-27-2000 09:17 AM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Based on my experiences, I've found that fighting spam seems to be a waste of time. You might be able to stop a few places from spamming you, but for every one you stop, there are hundreds more. About three years ago, I decided to start deleting the stuff, since I can recognize at least 90 percent of the spam email by the subject line, and the other 10 percent I delete after glancing at the first page. Letting the general public access the internet was a great thing (remember, you used to have to be at an educational or government institution) and spam is one of the unpleasant side effects of the "opening up" of the internet to the general public. Most people/companies are now using the internet to make money by advertising rather than for research type use. They see spamming as an easy, low-cost way to spread their ads. Even if only 1 person in a thousand responds, they'll make money. The net is not setup to stop this type of use, in the same way that the telephone system was never setup to protect people from telemarketers. There are worse things in life than email spam. Fighting it is a good way to use a lot of energy and accomplish very little. Just delete the messages that you know are spam before reading them.

In my experiences, posting to USENET groups has gotten me onto SPAM lists more than anything else. I have one account that I use for USENET posting and that account gets way more spam than any other. However, putting your email address in any publicly accessible place on the net is likely to get you on spammers' lists. It is simple to write a Perl script to scan WWW sites and follow links to extract email addresses from the text of pages. If someone sees doing that as a simple way to blast a bunch of people with ads, they'll do it. I don't feel strongly enough about the spam to stop using public forums or to stop posting to USENET, because I've had many useful exchanges of information and have learned a lot by using such forums and groups. I accept the fact that using such groups will get me some spam email. I use a mailer that allows me to easily delete messages without reading them, so the spammers waste very little of my time.


Speaking of misspelling things: If you're curious about where junk post office mail is coming from, when you subscribe to magazines, change your middle initial and use a different middle initial each time you subscribe to something. When junk mail comes in, check to see which initial was used.

Evans


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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-27-2000 10:23 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Also, just try shutting off cookies in your browser and tell it not to run scripts. (Or have it warn you)
You'll see an amazing amount of shit that happens behind your back!

Some sights it's okay but others, especially ones that use "Doubleclick" go really crazy. I set up my browser with "security zones". Ones that I trust get lower settings. (Like Film-Tech) All the other ones get higher settings. That helps a little bit.

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Barry Floyd
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1037
From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 11-28-2000 09:00 AM      Profile for Barry Floyd   Author's Homepage   Email Barry Floyd   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I used to get tons of Porno Spam on AOL. My wife would wonder why I kept getting email messages from "Hot Teen Cheerleaders" and such.

Then one night while surfing the net late, I got an "instant message" from a 22yr old college student in Clarksville, TN. She did a "search" through "AOL member's profile pages" and found that my profile stated that I was 30'ish single white guy in Nashville who liked to go out dancing. She wanted to know if I'd like to meet her at a local club in Nashville. After I explained to her that I was happily married - she said - "Your profile said you were single".

Once I changed my AOL member profile from "single" to "married" - I've never gotten another piece of Porno Spam.

Weird huh?

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