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Delaware Supreme Court overturns cinema ruling

Source: delawareonline.com

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The Delaware Supreme Court overturned a decision by the state Human Relations Commission that the manager of a Dover cinema was racist when he used a "condescending tone" in telling a crowd of largely black patrons viewing a Tyler Perry movie to silence their cell phones and remain quiet.

The commission also ordered the Carmike 14 Theater to pay nearly $80,000 for violating the Delaware Equal Accommodations Law after it determined the October 2007 announcement -- which was not regularly made in that way in other theaters -- "insulted, humiliated and demeaned" patrons in that manager David Stewart had singled out a black audience at a "minority-themed" movie.

Court papers note that extra security also was brought in that night and guards were double-checking ticket stubs as audience members entered, which the plaintiffs said further added to the humiliation.

The Supreme Court, however, tossed out that finding and the fine late last week, ruling there was no racist language in the announcement, no specific group was singled out and the non-racial explanation for the announcement -- that it was part of a since-discontinued company policy at sold-out shows to ensure that all patrons would enjoy the movie -- was reasonable.

The court also noted that the then-director of the state Office of Human Relations was in the crowd that night, announced to the theater that she was offended and organized patrons to file the complaint with the Human Relations Commission.

The incident happened Oct. 12, 2007, at the sold-out 7:15 p.m. showing of the movie "Why Did I Get Married?" where the cinema was showing the picture in three theaters simultaneously.

The warning about cell phones was shown on the screen and then was delivered in person in the largest of the three auditoriums by Stewart, according to court papers. Some patrons later said Stewart's tone "was offensive and condescending, as if he were speaking to children." And because the crowd, which had been well-behaved to that point, was "90 to 95 percent" black, some felt it was racist because it implied that blacks did not know how to behave in a movie theater.


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Brad Miller
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Well lets see now.

The last Tyler Perry movie on 35mm that I covered a projectionist shift a couple of years ago was a 99% black crowd. Hilarity did not ensue.

Issue #1 that shift. The people in the audience were constantly talking. Literally, they really would not shut up. Other audience members were getting outraged and started threatening each other. This...surprise...turned into violence.

Issue #2 that shift. One guy attacked another guy because he thought he was "looking at his girlfriend" (who was by the way, fully clothed and not suggestive or anything). The guy picks up a table (dinner theater) and attacks the "looker" with it. I saw the entire incident from the booth because it happened just before the movie started when I was threading the projector. I radio'd to the manager on duty to alert him. The manager and 2 rent-a-cops raced to the auditorium only to be attacked by this guy, and then another bystander for, you guessed it, "being racist" because they came into the "black auditorium".

Issue #3 that shift. Another show some sort of verbal argument ensued. Nobody knows what over. A knife was presented as a threat, then the other guy pulls a gun. The rent-a-cop ended up threatening the guy with the gun by pulling his gun on him for the safety of the guy with the knife. This happened in the lobby, I didn't witness it.

The fact remains, these issues only happen when Tyler Perry movies are played. Used to it was Spike Lee movies, but it is now predominately Tyler Perry movies. I'm NOT being racist, I am simply reporting fact. This sort of behavior sadly goes back as far as I can remember.

Back in college I was running some Spike Lee movie with the fader at 10. It was insanely loud, but the crowd literally wouldn't be quiet to hear the movie. It wasn't that the movie was so funny they couldn't stop laughing, they were too busy "talking to the screen"! A few members of the crowd ended up trying to break into the booth because they thought the theater was being racist by not playing the movie loud enough to be heard. The manager got physically hurt that night.

At a different location a couple of Tyler Perry movies ago, a theater we service had a complaint filed against them for racism. It seems there was a woman who was outraged that the theater would put up metal detectors at the entrance of "the black people auditorium". Ummm not quite ma'am...those are 3D glasses theft sensors. This is the 3D auditorium. It is the biggest auditorium in the complex, and the only one equipped to run 3D movies. The fact this Tyler Perry movie is doing such huge business warranted it to be in the largest auditorium. [Roll Eyes]

There is no racism in any of this. Any racism is fabricated in the offended party's mind, and it only seems to take one "offended" person to fire up the entire crowd.

Now if you want some funny facts on Tyler Perry movies, the dinner theater always, without fail, runs out of chicken. Fact! [Razz]

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FACT #1: Any time you tell something to someone that they don't like, you are being racist.

FACT #2: Only white people can be racist.

quote: Brad Miller
A few members of the crowd ended up trying to break into the booth because they thought the theater was being racist by not playing the movie loud enough to be heard.
FACT #3: Apparently physical buildings can be racist, too.

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Dominic Espinosa
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We once fired someone for _talking on the phone at the door podium_. The employee was caught by the chinese manager, fired by the white GM, and cried racism.
The staff is Heinz 57 when it comes to races. But hey, why not beat a dead horse and perpetuate a stereo-type?

It's just a fact that certain movies attract a certain element regardless of race.
We threw a black kid out of Coach Carter for smoking, we threw a white guy out of Sentinel for smoking.
Mexicans slashed our screen.
And white kids snuck alcohol in.
Eff em all.

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quote:
it was part of a since-discontinued company policy at sold-out shows to ensure that all patrons would enjoy the movie
Why would they discontinue a policy that ensured that all patrons enjoyed the movie? Is that poorly worded, or is it me?

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John Lasher
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Considering the article is from the same outfit that publishes The News Journal, I'd vote poorly worded.

I had a friend in high school whose father agreed to pay her a nickel for every spelling or grammatical error she found in The News Journal. He had to rescind that promise after a week or he would have gone broke.

Then again... a Carmike theater, in Delaware (where we have high school graduates who can't read or write, and can only do one kind of multiplication, and BOY do they do that kind)... they might very well have discontinued a policy to ensure patrons would enjoy the movie.

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well back in 2005 when diary of a mad black woman came out is when my hatred for Tyler perry films started.

here's a list of Questions/situations I had during the opening weekend and how i answered them.

1. Q:why is this movie in a small room? is it because its a black movie?
A: ma'am its in a small screen because the movies that are making more money are getting the big screens. and NO its not because its a black movie its because i never heard of it and i dont know how much its going to bring in. please enjoy the show

2.Q:why you have so many security in the theater? oh its because were black huh? you are a racist!
A:the reason we have so much security is because of a fight that happen in other theaters and for issues that happen the day before so its for our safety. And how am i a racist im MEXICAN! we are in the same boat but if you find this to be an issue i have no problem refunding the tickets.

3.Q:excuse me i want to talk to a real manager because this is BS i paid too much money for my food and your employees are racist because they wont let us black folks enjoy the movie and i want a refund on my tickets for making me miss the movie just to talk to you.
A:ma'am first off we dont sell chicken express in our theater so what your eating is not allowed and my staff has every right to ask you to remove the item and are allowed to confiscate the food you brought inside and before you say anything else i have a sign in the front of the podium that says NO OUTSIDE FOOD.

4.Q:EXCUSE ME I SAID EXCUSE ME! who the F makes you think that i have to take my kids outside because they are crying. you cant be doing this its against the law and i can sue you and ill just get my man and he will tell you whats up.
A:lady please stop yelling at me and don't threaten me im not like other managers i have no problem handling your husband. but ma'am we have a trailer that informs you to shut off your phones and not to talk during the film and to also escort your children if they are being loud. and ma'am its not against the law so if you feel that i may have been a threat to you please by all means call the Cops i have one on duty in the parking lot so by all means do what you have to do and also if you feel that your man can still change my mind please have him ask for ED and ill be happy to tell him the same thing. also if you keep it up and you still dont think we have the right to keep your loud kids outside you will be escorted by the cops and out of my theater.

5.(best one yet)Q:hey man you need to know that this is a black movie and this is how us black folks be. so if one of your employee's come up to me and tell me to get off the phone im gonna bust'em ok! this is a place full of black folks and thats how we be kid.
A: sir make a threat to any of my staff or myself is not allowed but before i throw you out of the theater you need to understand that people paid for a movie and nobody cares what you have to say to the person on the phone and if its important then you need to talk in the hallway or outside in the patio. now leave the property.

6.(brain wrap)Q:excuse you missed up the movie because were black huh!
A: have a good day ma'am

7.(box office error}
Cust: hey are you the manager! that girl sold me the wrong ticket i asked for the tyler perry movie.
A:oh sorry about that sir its packed right now but i know the movie you wanting to watch and you can go ahead and just sit down it wont be a problem.
cust: oh hell no im here to support out black movies and i want the right ticket now.

I HAVE SO MANY MORE BUT I THINK THIS IS ENOUGH but its to give an idea of the stupid crap that people make and start all this drama. [/LIST] [LIST]

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So, Ed, is it just black people. . . or are there just as many "problems" with us white people? Louis

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quote: Ed Alvarado
And how am i a racist im MEXICAN! we are in the same boat but if you find this to be an issue i have no problem refunding the tickets.
After 5 years of living in New York City I know that argument would fall on deaf ears to an African American playing the race card and acting like even bigger bigot than the person he is accusing of racism. Makes no difference being Mexican either. Might as well be "white." Anthropologically speaking, Hispanics are Caucasian. Certain medical forms, census forms, etc. even list choices under race "Hispanic White" and "Non-Hispanic White."

If you're not a member of an "offended" person's minority/special interest group it doesn't make any difference what sort of status you have as member of another minority/special interest group. You're still seen as an enemy, outsider or just someone to take advantage of in an emotional situation.

Every flavor of bigotry is rampant in New York City simply because so many people with different racial, ethic, religious and class backgrounds are crammed together.

I have seen black people act "racist" against other black people, based on other factors (lightness/darkness of skin, nationality, mixed race, etc.). Latinos can take sides against each other if their blood is Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban or European Spanish. Same thing goes on with Asian people with Japanese versus Korean versus Chinese, etc.

White people have a very long history of discriminating against other white people. The terms "honky" or "cracker" never had much of an effect on us. But throw out some slurs more specific to a white person's ethnicity (like Limey, Mick, Kraut, Frog, Wop, Polack, etc.) and that could get someone in serious trouble particularly if he was dropping the slurs among a crowd of those particular people. Most White people don't identify with groups of people based solely on race. But nationality and religious affiliation matter. Social class and political affiliation matter as well. Jessie Jackson cost himself any chance of getting a party nomination for President with his "hymie-town" remark about New York City. Jews may not have been rioting in the streets about it, but they were angry about it nonetheless.

Anyway, I'm glad I'm not into Tyler Perry movies at all. I hate disruptive behavior in movie theaters enough as it is without seeing it amped up to another level.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
Jessie Jackson cost himself any chance of getting a party nomination for President with his "hymie-town" remark about New York City. Jews may not have been rioting in the streets about it, but they were angry about it nonetheless.
It's not just the comment but how he reacted initially to being called out on it. When the comment was printed, he claimed to have never said it and that it got printed due to the conspiracy against him by the Jews. There's this old saying "When you shoot yourself in the foot, you should look at the gun" rather than "you should look at the vast Jewish conspiracy."

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quote: Bobby Henderson
The terms "honky" or "cracker" never had much of an effect on us.
Don't forget the Fightin' Whities! A response to the Fightin' Reds, which was allegedly offensive to native American Indians, the Fightin' Whities was supposed to show white people how it felt to have a basketball team named after your race and sporting a stereotypical mascot.

As a card carrying white male, I can honestly say - I thought it was funny as hell!

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The Carmike Cinema at the Dover Mall is located almost directly across the street from what is now known as Delaware State University (DSU).

DSU was founded in 1891 as The State College For Colored Students and was one of the first black public universities.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
But nationality and religious affiliation matter.
They DO?! I'm going to have to start throwing stuff at the TV whenever an Irish Catholic joke is performed.

Seriously, why do people get all bent out of shape about any of this stuff? Just grow a spine and choose not to be offended. I've been listening to Catholic and "white folks" jokes my whole life and I don't think they're insulting -- I think they're funny!

[Caution: Offensive Catholic joke ahead]

This nun was walking to the convent and this guy jumped out of the bushes and dragged her in there and 'had his way.' Then the guy says "what are you going to tell the mother superior now?" and she said, "I'll just tell her the truth: I was walking to the convent and a man jumped out of the bushes and raped me twice, unless you're tired."

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quote: Mike Blakesley
They DO?! I'm going to have to start throwing stuff at the TV whenever an Irish Catholic joke is performed.
It depends on the location. Cities like New York in particular. If I mouth off at someone in an Italian dominated neighborhood and throw out some Italian oriented slurs with it I could get my teeth kicked down my throat. There is more tension there about who you should choose as friends, where you should work or who you should date based on your religious and ethnic background. A Catholic family usually would prefer their daughter to date a boy who was Catholic rather than Jewish, Baptist, etc.

The farther west you go in America, or the farther you travel away from old American cities, attitudes change. Here in Lawton most people (white or not) just consider themselves "American" instead of some hyphenate like "Irish-American," "Italian-American," etc. That stuff doesn't matter as much. I don't hear the ethnic slurs out here in Oklahoma nearly as much as I did in New York City. We're too integrated for groups of people to take sides against other groups based on who is Italian or Irish or German, etc. Our blood lines are too mixed for very many of us to say "I'm Irish" or whatever. Most Americans are Heinz 57 mutts. Religious affiliation is still important in Middle America. We can take jokes about religious denominations. But then that whole "would let your daughter date one of those guys" thing might still be a sticking point.

I don't know about the rest of Oklahoma, but there is a lot of inter-racial dating and marriage going on here. Maybe some of that is because of the military's influence on the area. It could just be changing attitudes. There's definitely a lot more shutting up going on when it comes to people telling racial jokes. Tell a black joke and you may piss off some white guy whose wife is black.

But, yeah, it would be nice for everyone to grow a thicker skin and a sense of humor about this stuff. In the end, I think some of the people who are offended are really not as offended as they are pretending to be and merely trying to take advantage of a situation, either to draw attention (like media attention) or get something for nothing. I think both of those angles were being played at that Carmike 14 site in Delaware.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
A Catholic family usually would prefer their daughter to date a boy who was Catholic rather than Jewish, Baptist, etc.
Jewish people in NYC definitely feel the same way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaNRSZ-Ga-w

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