Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Operations   » Ground Level   » Selling your parking lot to your city to finance digital (Page 1)

 
This topic comprises 4 pages: 1  2  3  4 
 
Author Topic: Selling your parking lot to your city to finance digital
Mike Frese
Master Film Handler

Posts: 465
From: Holts Summit, MO
Registered: Jun 2007


 - posted 04-27-2014 01:34 PM      Profile for Mike Frese   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Frese   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I ran across this interesting way to finance a theater's digital conversion. (The following was written by someone at the local newspaper)

"The **** Town Council is currently mulling whether to purchase a piece of land from **** Theatre owner Joe Poe of *****. The sale is something that the theatre owner and town officials have discussed off and on for at least the past two years, but nothing concrete had ever materialized.

At a March 24 town council meeting, Town Manager presented a plan for the town to purchase the parking lot (next door to the theater) for $91,000. That figure came from an independent third-party appraisal.

It was stated that funds for the purchase would come from money sitting in the town’s Downtown TIF account, so no new tax dollars would be used.

Change is needed at the **** theatre as the movie industry has shifted away from producing 35 mm film in favor of digital systems. From the moviemaker’s standpoint, the change made perfect sense. Why continue producing movies on celluloid film that can become damaged or deteriorate when they can be stored on a hard drive and shipped at a fraction of the cost?

How many people still use VCRs or 35mm film cameras? I have a couple of cameras sitting on a bookshelf at home and another at the office, but displaying them for nostalgia is about all they are good for these days. Meanwhile, the VCR and boxes of movies on tape acquired back in the days of Columbia House Movie Clubs are stored away in the basement, likely never to see the light of day again.

The ****** Theatre is in a similar situation. Eventually, sooner rather than later, movies will simply no longer be put on film. What happens then? Unless the theatre converts, there will be yet another iconic empty building in our downtown.

Some may question why the town would spend money to aide in a local business. It’s a valid concern. But something else to consider is that the theatre owner is not simply selling the parking lot to pocket a quick buck. The money received from the sale is going to be reinvested into the ***** Theatre to ensure movies will remain a part of **** for many years to come.

Where would the town be without its movie theatre? People already complain there is nothing to do in the town. Taking away yet another form of entertainment doesn’t seem to be a step in the right direction.

Other theatres around the state and the nation have looked to their communities to help keep them open. Some have done fundraisers, while other have sought tax breaks to free up needed cash to purchase the digital projector systems."

My understanding of TIF projects is that they are designed to be used to create more tax revenue for the entity involved. In my region, they have been largely used to build new retail developments.

If the city buys the parking lot, the parking lot will no longer be assessed property taxes. A decrease in taxes collected would result.

This particular city has no sales tax so the theater remaining open will not add to the sales tax revenue vs being closed.

It would seem that the only positive cash flow would be an increase in business assets (new projectors and sound equipment) which would result in more business personal property taxes being collected. Is that enough to support this decision?

This theater has been for sale for years. Maybe as long as 3 years. Having the theater converted would certainly make the theater more appealing to a new buyer. So the seller could benefit with a subsequent sale.

This is also the same owner/operator who at another theater seeked public donations while receiving a VPF. This has been the only time I have seen a theater seek VPFs (the plans offered before Sept 2012) and donations. I recall a decent donation from the town's friends of the library group.

More power to any theater owner who can swing such a deal. Seems like a questionable deal to me.

 |  IP: Logged

Jim Cassedy
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1661
From: San Francisco, CA
Registered: Dec 2006


 - posted 04-27-2014 02:03 PM      Profile for Jim Cassedy   Email Jim Cassedy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wow!! Only $91k?
The tiny parking lot down the street from one of the theaters I take care of
sold last year for just over $3million. Not only wasn't it very large, it had
also been poorly maintained, based on the condition of the surface & pole
lights (almost all of which were burned out)

They shouldda got more money!

 |  IP: Logged

Martin McCaffery
Film God

Posts: 2481
From: Montgomery, AL
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 04-27-2014 02:26 PM      Profile for Martin McCaffery   Author's Homepage   Email Martin McCaffery   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jim: Location, location, location [Wink]

 |  IP: Logged

Frank Cox
Film God

Posts: 2234
From: Melville Saskatchewan Canada
Registered: Apr 2011


 - posted 04-27-2014 02:30 PM      Profile for Frank Cox   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Cox   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Any particular reason why the specifics in the story are all ****?

 |  IP: Logged

Lyle Romer
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1400
From: Davie, FL, USA
Registered: May 2002


 - posted 04-27-2014 02:49 PM      Profile for Lyle Romer   Email Lyle Romer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Frank Cox
Any particular reason why the specifics in the story are all ****?
I was wondering the same thing. Is it the Temple Theatre in Houlton, ME? That's my best guess doing some very quick detective work.

 |  IP: Logged

Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001


 - posted 04-27-2014 03:09 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If the theater has to go to those lengths to finance the purchase of a digital projector system what are they going to do for continual maintenance costs? What are they going to do 10 or so years in the future when much, if not the whole thing, has to be replaced?

 |  IP: Logged

Mike Frese
Master Film Handler

Posts: 465
From: Holts Summit, MO
Registered: Jun 2007


 - posted 04-27-2014 03:57 PM      Profile for Mike Frese   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Frese   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, it is the Temple Theatre in Holton, ME.

 |  IP: Logged

Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000


 - posted 04-28-2014 02:07 PM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If this is a published news story, I can't see any need to redact it - the information is already in the public domain.

The one thing that strikes me here is that if the city buys the lot, it can then start to charge the theater's customers to park on it. Those customers may then start to look for places to park on nearby residential streets, thereby p!ssing off the local inhabitants. Some customers may be ticketed, and then storm off vowing never to see a movie in that theater again. In short, they could be trading a short-term problem for a long-term one.

A small theater I worked at in England in the late '90s had a tiny car park - it could take about 15 vehicles in total. To start with we didn't police it at all: the staff always arrived long before the first customers, and so we never had a problem parking there. But eventually we would get so many complaints from customers unable to find a space, either in our little car park or the surrounding streets, that we just had to put a gate and a "staff only" notice on it, and tell customers that if they wanted to come by car, they had to park in the nearby multi-story at £1.50 an evening. Paradoxically, the complaints diminished to almost zero: because it was made clear to customers that we could not provide parking for them, period - even the small chance of getting a spot - they accepted that and didn't even try.

 |  IP: Logged

Chris Slycord
Film God

Posts: 2986
From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea
Registered: Mar 2007


 - posted 04-29-2014 05:41 AM      Profile for Chris Slycord   Email Chris Slycord   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think it's more likely for the theater to get charged rent for the lot.

 |  IP: Logged

Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000


 - posted 04-29-2014 11:08 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Good point. It looks like this deal wouldn't be potentially on the table at all if the city didn't want to help the theater survive, and therefore that they wouldn't want to do anything that would hit its customer base seriously.

The problem is that whoever wins the next election (or even several elections down the line) might not feel the same way.

Bobby has a valuable point, though, and it boils down to this. Either the theater is a fundamentally viable business that is trying to find a way to cope with a major one-time cost (or, more likely, the prospect of a major, one-time cost every 5-10 years, given the likely lifespan of digital projectors and servers), or it's not and this issue is simply forcing the bigger one to the surface.

If it is fundamentally viable, I'm wondering why a commercial loan wouldn't be an option. Maybe it would take adjustments to the business model to cope with (e.g. more screenings, a ticket price rise, rentals for special events, etc. etc.), but might it be preferable to the irreversible loss of an asset that makes a positive contribution to the bottom line at present? If, however, the place is on the edge of viability and the digital issue is just highlighting that, then this won't solve the problem: it'll just delay the day on which it has to be faced. In that scenario, the town council might achieve more by investigating subsidising the place like an arts center type venue, or getting a grantwriter in to see if any philanthropic money could be secured to help keep the place going, or infrastructural investments (rather than sell-offs) to being costs down; that sort of thing.

 |  IP: Logged

Louis Bornwasser
Film God

Posts: 4441
From: prospect ky usa
Registered: Mar 2005


 - posted 04-29-2014 08:30 PM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Commercial loans are not always available to smaller cinemas. Reason? Primarily the bank's fault since they think a car or tractor is a big loan; small town.

 |  IP: Logged

Terry Lynn-Stevens
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1081
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Dec 2012


 - posted 04-29-2014 08:46 PM      Profile for Terry Lynn-Stevens   Email Terry Lynn-Stevens   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would close the theater and then demolish it and then pave a parking lot.

 |  IP: Logged

Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001


 - posted 04-29-2014 11:06 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Turn the theater into a parking lot for what? Just more parking? A parking lot just by itself isn't cheap, especially if you put in a proper steel re-bar reinforced concrete parking lot. Those materials are damned expensive -thanks to so much rising demand in "emerging markets" for those materials in recent years.

If the old theater building was demolished the town might as well tear up the parking lot as well and convert the whole site into a park or green space. Or better yet, just let some other business buy the property and convert the building into something else.

 |  IP: Logged

Michael Gonzalez
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 790
From: Grand Island , NE USA
Registered: Sep 2000


 - posted 05-01-2014 03:38 AM      Profile for Michael Gonzalez   Email Michael Gonzalez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Mike Frese
Town Manager presented a plan for the town to purchase the parking lot (next door to the theater) for $91,000.
Kind of sounds to me that it is not the parking lot to the movie theater but an adjacent lot that the owner of the theater also happens to own. But I could be wrong.

 |  IP: Logged

Terry Lynn-Stevens
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1081
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Dec 2012


 - posted 05-01-2014 01:37 PM      Profile for Terry Lynn-Stevens   Email Terry Lynn-Stevens   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Michael Gonzalez
Kind of sounds to me that it is not the parking lot to the movie theater but an adjacent lot that the owner of the theater also happens to own. But I could be wrong.
And its a really stupid move to sell the parking lot to buy a projector. Assuming that the guy owns the property out right, why sell an asset to fund what is clearly a business that is not viable.

I say bulldoze the theatre and build a community garden [Big Grin]

 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)
This topic comprises 4 pages: 1  2  3  4 
 
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.