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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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With the window for DVD release ever shrinking, some folks are ready to do something about it.

According to an article here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/feb/11/disney-alice-in-wonderland-burton

"UK cinema chains may boycott Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
A dispute with Disney over the release window could see Alice in Wonderland barred from Odeon, Vue and Cineworld screens
Adam Dawtrey
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 11 February 2010 14.52 GMT

The UK's biggest cinema chains are set to boycott Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland, due out on 5 March, because of a dispute with Disney over the release window.

Disney wants to cut the gap between the theatrical opening and the DVD release to just 12 weeks, down from the standard 17 weeks. The big exhibitors refuse to book any film that doesn't have a guaranteed four-month theatrical run.
If neither side climbs down, the 3D film will not play at any Odeon, Vue or Cineworld site across the country, representing 95% of the UK's 3D screens.
That means Disney would forfeit a substantial amount of the film's projected £40m UK box-office gross. It will be tricky for the studio to explain that to Burton, who lives in London and shot Alice In Wonderland largely in Devon and Cornwall.
The film stars Johnny Depp, Mia Wasikowska and a largely British supporting cast, including Helena Bonham Carter, Matt Lucas, Stephen Fry, Michael Sheen, Alan Rickman, Christopher Lee and Barbara Windsor.
However, Disney said the royal charity premiere at the Odeon Leicester Square will go ahead regardless, because that isn't a commercial booking.
The studio previously attempted to shorten the theatrical run of Up in order to release the DVD before Christmas, but changed its mind after the exhibitors threatened to pull A Christmas Carol from their screens in retaliation.
This time, however, Disney has given the exhibitors advance warning of its intentions. A studio source described the 12-week deal as a "take it or leave it" proposition that is not up for negotiation.
Disney's distribution chiefs, Chuck Viane and Bob Chapek, have flown in from Hollywood to talk to British exhibitors over the next couple of days. But sources say the studio is not offering more favourable revenue-sharing terms to tempt them to accept the shorter window.
Odeon and Vue have already pulled all trailers and promotional materials for Alice in Wonderland from their cinemas, and have stopped selling advance tickets. Cineworld, as a public company, is taking a more cautious line and is still promoting Alice in Wonderland on its website, but is understood to be equally robust in its rejection of the shorter window.
Disney is also cutting the theatrical run for Alice in Wonderland in the US and Italy, where most exhibitors look likely to accept the studio's terms.
This is part of a global strategy by Disney CEO Bob Iger to shorten some of its theatrical releases, in a bid to maximise its home entertainment revenues, combat piracy and minimise its marketing costs.
The studio says that films take 97% of their box office in the first eight weeks of release, after which they largely disappear from cinemas. It argues that making consumers wait another two months before they can buy the DVD legitimately just presents the pirates with an "exclusive window."
Exhibitors counter that bringing forward the DVD release will reduce the audience appetite to see films on the big screen, which could lead to cinema closures, particularly in smaller towns.
Disney is using this summer's football World Cup as its pretext for cutting short Alice's theatrical run. It argues that audiences won't go to the cinema during the World Cup in their usual numbers, so it makes sense to pull Alice in Wonderland early.
But UK exhibitors argue that a family film such as Alice in Wonderland is less threatened by the World Cup than other titles."

WOW!!!
[Eek!]

Could you ever see NATO taking such a stand??

This will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Who will blink first?

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Jonathan M. Crist
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Never happen in the US. Theatre owners here have no cojones. They are so afraid of losing even one lousy dollar that they just get out the tube of lube and bend over anytime the studios say so.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: John T. Hendrickson, Jr
Could you ever see NATO taking such a stand??
LOL! NATO would probably find a way to praise the studios for having such a short window.

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Julio Roberto
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Something similar happened in Spain a long time ago when Buenavista wanted to play hardball with the cut in some Christmas film. In retaliation, >60% of screens in Spain didn't play another summer Buena Vista comedy (one of those "scary movie" types).

Plus took them to court.

Disney lost. Of course.

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Mike Blakesley
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There is talk that Disney might "throw a bone" to exhibition in the form of a lower film rent. Of course this is just another way they are going to screw the smaller places that don't play the film on the break. Apparently digital cinema isn't putting us out of business fast enough for them.

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Ian Parfrey
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There are a few points here that really worry me.

The main one is that Disney are showing their opinion of exhibitors by wanting to shorten the [dlp] window. When won't the studios realise that a boffo boxoffice release multiplies the "must have" dvd factor manyfold.

So Disney are willing to shorten the release run on "Alice" anyway? That's nice of them.

If I was Tim Burton I'd be spitting chips and rip Disney a new A-hole regarding the way they are treating his work. This shows contempt not only for the artists involved but also the Cinema industry as a whole.

But the REAL concern I have is that the bone that Disney are willing to throw the exhibs will end up the butts of the cinema operators.

All this comes down to is the studios consider all form of theatrical exhibition as a liability and a drain on studio profits. Why give exhibs a cut when the studios can grab a higher % of the take via early [dlp] release?

..and this is where the crunch will come. If even ONE studio gets their way with early windows then we can kiss goodbye any influence theatrical release will have on release policy, because then there will be little financial reason to release theatrically and it will give unfounded credence to their arguments.

So they use piracy as reasoning for early [dlp] windows, eh?

Well, listen to this studios- Get it into your heads that it is the screeners and pre-release copies that are the root of your piracy problem-NOT theatrical exhibition.

Oh, and one more thing- I don't see Fox bitching about theatrical takings. Quite the opposite. How often has Avatar's boxoffice takings been used as promotion?
Answer: Every [sex] ing day Fox advertise the boxoffice takings have been masterfully using this as a prime advertising tool.

Are Fox bitching about piracy as the B.O takings climb skyward even though every torrent site has Avatar available for download?

Mike may well have this nailed.

The so-called Industry-Saving Digi rollout hasn't killed off exhibs quickly enough, so let's screw them from other side.
This is a pathetically greedy aspect of the Movie industry that rivals Sony's pox-ridden attempt to give exhibs a cost reduction on [dlp] gear if they have pictorial evidence of destroyed 35mm equipment.

[fu] Sony.

Many public opinion polls rate politicians, reporters and used car dealers as the most despised occupations around.

Might just add Studio Executive to that list.

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quote:
The main one is that Disney are showing their opinion of exhibitors by wanting to shorten the [dlp] window. When won't the studios realise that a boffo boxoffice release multiplies the "must have" dvd factor manyfold.

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All this comes down to is the studios consider all form of theatrical exhibition as a liability and a drain on studio profits. Why give exhibs a cut when the studios can grab a higher % of the take via early [dlp] release?

..and this is where the crunch will come. If even ONE studio gets their way with early windows then we can kiss goodbye any influence theatrical release will have on release policy, because then there will be little financial reason to release theatrically and it will give unfounded credence to their arguments.

I'm not following this logic.

If a long and successful theatrical window really does benefit the home video release that much, then shortening the window too greatly will end up hurting the overall revenue, and the window will lengthen on future releases until it reaches a balancing point.

I can understand why theaters resist shortening the release window any amount, but I don't agree with the reasoning you put forth.

Marketing rules dictate that you get the most effect from any efforts put forth by keeping the brand current in the minds of the audience. After the first week or two of release, most marketing is done for the movie, and then it becomes a long wait for the home video release to do more marketing. If the second release comes faster, that marketing effort can benefit from the first (theatrical) release more greatly. Wait too long, and you have to re-establish everything all over again.

If the shorter window results in more successful home video releases, it will lend credence to the very valid belief that the shorter window was a good idea.

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quote: Scott Jentsch
If a long and successful theatrical window really does benefit the home video release that much, then shortening the window too greatly will end up hurting the overall revenue, and the window will lengthen on future releases until it reaches a balancing point.
That's correct, and that's just what happened over the past few years. The theatrical-to-DVD window has been hovering in that 16-week area for about 3 years now. That's still too soon, but doable for all except maybe the sub-sub-sub-run locations.

So now here comes Disney wanting to drop it to about 12 weeks "on one or two pictures a year." (Meaning their super-blockbusters, probably.) This is supposed to allow them to move the DVD release into a season where sales are better -- in the case of Alice, it puts the DVD release into the early summer, rather than mid-summer when sales are slower due to people having less TV time.

This is just the start of a slippery slope. We all know Alice is going to do great out of the box. So they'll have their 200 million or whatever gross. Then the DVD will sell well, due to the better season of release. So it's only a matter of time until they start moving more of their DVD release dates into that 12-week time frame "since the Alice experiment was so successful."

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David Zylstra
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quote: Jonathan M. Crist
Theatre owners here have no cojones
Well, most theatre owners don't - problem is that if there was a boycott in the US there might be too many exhibitors willing to book the film and get all the business the boycotters would miss.

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Mike Blakesley
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Disney and the others are trying these various new tactics so they can move more DVDs and Blu-Rays. They are concerned that DVD sales have dropped around 15% in the last year. Why can't these people see what the real cause is? I don't have a degree in marketing and I'm just a little piddly small town theatre owner, but I can describe the cause of the DVD sales drop in just two words:

Netflix

Redbox

Why can't these people making millions of dollars a year see that? [Confused] [Confused] [Confused]

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Jeremy Weigel
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quote: Mike Blakesley
Why can't these people making millions of dollars a year see that?
Because its too simple of an explanation and they get paid millions of dollars to solve complex problems (so they think).

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Ian Parfrey
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quote: Scott Jentsch
If the shorter window results in more successful home video releases, it will lend credence to the very valid belief that the shorter window was a good idea.
Thats my point. The shorter window WILL be a good idea if you are a studio looking to cut on expenses and percentages for exhibitors. This will be at the expense of theatrical exhibition boxoffice receipts which is a nonsensical approach as the Avatar example indicates.

My point is that [dlp] needs good theatrical pre-publicity in order for the comsumer to weed out the shit from the shinola - and by it's nature, a shorter window will reduce theatrical takings substantially.

To pracie -

Big boxoffice (standard window long run) = high publicity and high percentages for exhibitors AND high video grosses.

Low boxoffice (shortened window short run) = lower percentages for exhibitors and high video grosses due to fresher product identification.

This is my take on it. I may be way off the mark though.

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Louis Bornwasser
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Maybe Disney thinks Alice will tank. They've seen it; we haven't. Louis

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Darryl Spicer
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quote: Mike Blakesley
but I can describe the cause of the DVD sales drop in just two words
I can sum it up in one word:

Economy

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Mike Blakesley
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DVD sales were going down before the economy tanked. Besides, they are cheap enough that if it wasn't for Redbox and Netflix (and iTunes and other download services to an extent), I think sales would still be about where they were.

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