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Claude S. Ayakawa
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 - posted 12-18-2009 05:05 PM      Profile for Claude S. Ayakawa   Author's Homepage   Email Claude S. Ayakawa   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dolby has alway been very aggressive making sure it's brand name is mentioned in all print ads and products but why are they taking a back seat with their Dolby Digital 3-D system against Real D? The Honolulu Star Bulletin has a a two column X four inch print ad for AVATAR today that says; " AVATAR Everwhere and Everyway" and list - 2-D / Real D 3-D/ Digital 3-D / IMAX 3-D but no mention of Dolby Digital 3-D. Instead of Digital 3-D, the ad should have said Dolby 3-D making it more factual because both Real D and Dolby 3-D are cinema digital 3-D systems. Strange!

-Claude

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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 12-19-2009 02:17 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Probably because Dolby's glasses are expensive and need to be carefully collected after each show. Collecting and cleaning glasses is a large labor cost. If they could make the glasses cheap enough to be disposable, (almost) everyone would buy Dolby.

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Louis Bornwasser
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 - posted 12-19-2009 06:22 AM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As has been stated before, the reality is tht Dolby is the cheaper system and can be used with a "normal" screen in addition to having better color.

With the big push for "Green-ness" I would presume that disposable glasses will eventually fade away; making Dolby even cheaper.

Certainly there are trade offs for anything, and the 3D systems are no exception. Louis

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 12-19-2009 07:36 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Two things against Dolby...light you need quite a bit more since it is only 10% efficient as compared to 15-28% efficient on the Polarized systems. And since the screens are white the gains are anywhere from 1.0 (ideal) to 1.8 (hot spotty)...Silver screens have a typical gain in the 2.5 region. So more light comes back in the Silver screen installation (well, in the middle). So with the same screen size the Dolby 3D system could need even twice as much light as the Silver screen system (all depending on the gain of the screen).

And then there are the glasses. It is one more thing the theatre has to deal with (collect them, clean them, keep them in stock). I wonder, if the studios are paying about $0.69 for the polarized glasses, whey not give the Dolby 3D theatres a virtual glasses fee of $0.69? If a theatre was receiving a $138.00 credit for each 200-seat show...the cost/hassle of the glasses would seem pretty trivial. Fair is fair...why should some 3D systems be subsidized and others not.

Without a doubt though, the best 3D system currently out is the Dolby system. The colors are the best and the image uniformity is the best.

Steve

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Mike Spaeth
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 - posted 12-21-2009 06:10 AM      Profile for Mike Spaeth   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Spaeth   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You're forgetting Master Image ... who I actually belive provides the most bang for the buck. Also, a superior image to Real-D from what I've seen...

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Julio Roberto
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 - posted 12-21-2009 06:55 AM      Profile for Julio Roberto     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
And, of course, also forgetting the other competing system XpanD, which doesn't require silver screen, additional color correction and has better light performance than Dolby to boot, but shares Dolby's problem of expensive glasses that must be collected/cleaned.

In XpanD's case, they also need batteries replacement a couple times a year (or recharging for similar systems). Also, extremely cheap/easy/reliable "hardware" (a simple interface unit/sync generator/broadcaster), except for the glasses themselves.

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Julio Roberto
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 - posted 12-29-2009 01:28 PM      Profile for Julio Roberto     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just adding the info that it seems RealD has over 5000 screens worldwide, while Dolby has about 2200 and XpanD around 2000.

Master Image had over 300 worldwide last I heard.

The rest are Sony's or Imax's or dual projection.

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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 - posted 12-29-2009 07:48 PM      Profile for Caleb Johnstone-Cowan   Email Caleb Johnstone-Cowan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Finding places to store RealD glasses and taking massive deliveries of them is becoming a problem. Where I currently work none of the stock rooms have doors wide enough to take a pallet(te?) which makes moving them even harder.

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