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Mike Frese
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Through the home video circles I am hearing that Paranormal Activity will be available on DVD on Dec 29. That would be 95 days after intial release, but we all know it did not go very wide to a month later.

Remember Paramount released G.I. Joe 88 days after theatrical release and said it was just a one time thing. Hmmmmmmmmm......

Plus Sony releasing Meatballs to ppv through Sony HD TVs and blu-ray players next mo (3 mos after theatrical release).

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Karl Borowski
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Haven't they done worse than that?

I seem to remember talk of a movie that was released on home video simultaneously with its theatrical debut three or four years back.

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Sam Graham
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I think, at this time of year, it's more of a "trying to slot as much product into the holiday shopping season as possible" type deal.

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Chris Slycord
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Surviving Christmas was on DVD 9 weeks after its theatrical opening.

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Joe Tommassello
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Anyone here still playing a major film that was released 95 days ago or more?

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Karl Borowski
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Not personally, but as of two weeks ago I saw "The Hangover" still playing in a non-discount theatre, with the added unusuality of a discount theatre playing the same title!

I think it is *still* playing there, too.

And this is at a house targeted for a mostly senior audience!

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Alex Edwards
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We just lost Hangover a couple weeks ago. We played it for 19 weeks or 133 days.

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Jonathan Althaus
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We had Hangover, Up, and Star Trek 15 wks. Still playing Halloween 2, and it was a 1st run, not a rerelease. When we opened Cloudy 3D late, we had a 112 day KDM. And we're opening "Soul Power" this weekend, which was released in July.

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Justin Hamaker
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quote: Joe Tommassello
Anyone here still playing a major film that was released 95 days ago or more?
The reason theatres should be concerned about the shrinking window is because it makes people more likely to wait for DVD. It's one thing for people to wait for DVD when it's going to take 6 months. But as that window shrinks, more and more people will be willing to wait. If it gets much shorter than it is now, I think it will reach a tipping point - especially with kids movies.

At what point does the shrinking window start taking a dramatic bite out of the theatrical release? When we get to that point, does it start to threaten the viability of movie theatres?

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Mark J. Marshall
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quote: Joe Tommassello
Anyone here still playing a major film that was released 95 days ago or more?
The answer to that is NO. Most movies suck too much to last that long. Even the Harry Potters seem to die off within three months.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Justin Hamaker
At what point does the shrinking window start taking a dramatic bite out of the theatrical release? When we get to that point, does it start to threaten the viability of movie theatres?
If/when we get to that point, I'd expect the chains to sqawk first. They were the ones that put their foot down over day-and-date release to theatres, video and DVD. Many of their locations, especially prime downtown ones, have far more overhead than you or I could imagine, and some of them have stockholders to answer to.

They probably didn't say anything as the window swallowed up much of the sub-run market, because most of them didn't have any operations at that level.

I don't know where the 'tipping point' might be, but I imagine we're heading toward it. It could also be that the studios are testing to see just where that line really is... maybe?

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Chad Souder
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Paranormal is a different deal since it is a "horror" flick out just before Halloween. It's grosses have dropped sharply since the Halloween weekend, down from it's high of $21 mil the weekend of Oct. 23rd to $8 mil last weekend, even though print counts rose by about 600 during the same time. By Christmas, it will be completely dead and even if a home video release happened it wouldn't hurt cinemas one bit.

Paramount is definitely the big bully these days, demanding higher film rentals than anyone else. Marcus Theatres did not play Paranormal Activity across their circuit. Exhibitors need to collectively fight Paramount.

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Darryl Spicer
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What they need to do is tell the studios that they, the exhibitors, will not install or make future investments in digital cinema unless the studios agree in writing that the Video market window will not shrink below 4 months. The studios are the primary beneficiary of this conversion so why screw the exhibitor by day and date releases. If day and date releases occur then it's a sure bet that attendance will take a hit. This will cause investors to loose confidence in companies they have invested in. There has to be a degree of fairness between Theatrical release and video releases of any sorts.

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Frank Angel
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Darryl, the power that exhibitors hold is immense if only they would present a unified front, perhaps form an association where their interests could be codified and presented to the studios. Oh wait, they do, it calls itself NATO. Only problem is, its leaders and evidently its members are a mob of eunuchs and castrati.

How is it that the studios have a "Master Contract" that they demand the exhibitor agrees to and the exhibitor has nothing even resembling his interests in a similar contract? There is no reason NATO couldn't present the conditions under which the exhibitor will play a studio's picture -- in other words, the exhibitor's Master Contract, basicially saying, "these are the conditions under which we will put your title up on our member screens." Either the studio understands the advantage of having 4000 plus screens on which to play its title or he winds up only having the video avenue to release -- see if he can make his 40 million opening weekend that way.

Sure, there would needed to be a back and forth compromise with distribution making their demands and exhibition making theirs, BUT, going way back to when the studio began making their demands, exhibition had the ability to stand face to face and say, no, we don't accept those terms so we will not play your title under those conditions. But instead, when they were looking face to face with the MPAA, exhibition blinked and the "Master Contract" was born.

In my alternate universe, the exhibitor would be the entity presenting the basic terms that the distrib would have to meet in order to get his release up on the NATO member screens. It could have easily been this way....if it weren't for stupid exhibitors who continually fought among themselves and couldn't present a united front. The studios did present that united front and they blink.

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Steve Guttag
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Nato always has to worry about collusion when it comes to having their master contract. A studio is an entity that can set whatever rules it wants if you want their product. Exhibitors banning together (collude) to FORCE a more favorable agreement would generally be considered illegal. Now if you could get EVERY exhibitor, on their own to come up with say a 50/50 split at the box and other such "demands" and stick to it (don't play the films if the studio doesn't agree)...then they would likely improve their lot in life. However, someone always gives in and then it is a free-for-all to jump in and not get left out.

Steve

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