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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Aut-O-Rama Twin Drive-in sues Ohio Sports Park in North Ridgeville over bright lights
Posted by Michael Sangiacomo/Plain Dealer Reporter June 01, 2009 23:45PM
Categories: Real Time News

NORTH RIDGEVILLE, Ohio — It's a battle of the bulbs.
One of the few remaining drive-in movie theaters in the Cleveland area got a two-week temporary restraining order last week to shut off the lights at a nearby outdoor sports complex.

The Aut-O-Rama Twin Drive-in sued the recently opened sports center, maintaining that the lights on ball fields wash out the images on the movie complex's giant picture screens.

The Aut-O-Rama, which opened in 1965, is one of only 33 drive-ins left in Ohio.

The $3 million, 67-acre Ohio Sports Park has seven illuminated baseball and softball fields, outdoor volleyball and basketball courts and nine soccer fields.

Deb Sherman, owner of the drive-in, said she knew she was in for trouble when the Ohio Sports Park, about 600 feet east of the theater, tested its lights May 8.

"This is our business," she said. "People have to be able to see the screens to enjoy the movie or they won't be back. The lights are so bright on one screen that it's like watching a PowerPoint presentation with the lights on. People watching the other screen have the lights shining in their faces. It's unpleasant, and we can't afford to lose customers."

After meetings with the sports park owners proved unsuccessful, Sherman filed suit in Lorain County Common Pleas Court, seeking more than $50,000 in damages. The court granted the temporary restraining order while the situation is investigated.

Sherman said that Friday night, rather than force the sports park to shut off all its lights, the drive-in let the park test to determine which ones needed to be doused to permit the movies to run.

She said that with lights out on four of nine fields, the picture was acceptable, though not perfect. The lights on the four fields will remain off for now.

Denny Johnson, North Ridgeville safety service director, said the city's chief building official would measure how much light is leaving the sports park. The lights will be turned on for the test despite the restraining order.

"We have regulations regarding how much light leaves the property," he said. "They are working with the manufacturer and installers to get the lights properly aimed so it doesn't impact surrounding businesses."

The owner of the sports park, Larry Vassil, said he would fix any violation of city light-control ordinances, but nothing else. He said he went through the city's planning commission and received all the necessary permits. He feels the lighting is within ordinance standards.

"If the city says we are in violation, that's one thing," he said. "I have talked to people who said the light did not affect the movie at all. We have a court date of June 10 because we think the restraining order is unfair. We're hoping to move that court date to [this] week."

Sherman said the drive-in received many complaints from customers, some of whom thought the theater's equipment was faulty.

She said she tried to ease the situation by playing brighter movies on the screen most affected by the sports park lights, but she wants a permanent solution.


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Troy Hilsman Powell
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I thought that you were already grandfathered in.I am just old school and maybe the laws have changed but it just does not seem right or fair to you.That burns my grits!

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John Wilson
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That really sucks. [fu]

33 Drive-ins left in Ohio? Well done Ohio! [thumbsup]

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Dennis Benjamin
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This story reminds me of a Drive-In I went to in Las Vegas. I saw "Windtalkers" at a Syufy location. Turns out that the Drive-In complex was near an airport or something(?) I believe - or maybe it was some bright Casino Lights or something. All I remember is that there were a lot of lights washing out the screen and it was annoying as hell. The concession stand had no air conditioning on the inside and the popcorn was disgusting. I left and never went back.

I wonder if that hole is still open?

Anyways.....

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John Wilson
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There was a DI in Vegas right near an auto dealer with bright lights on the cars...maybe that was it.

I think it eventually closed with the car dealer's apparent lack of regard to what the drive-in did cited as a major reason for its closure.

That... and apparently the popcorn sucked.

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Kenneth Wuepper
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Here in Saginaw Michigan we had three drive in theaters. The TWILITE was closed when K Mart opened a store right next to it and had enormously bright parking lot lights. The picture was nearly wiped out by the orange lights from the parking lot.

The other two theaters were the victim of Daylight Savings Time that made it impossible to start the films until 10:00 each night during the Summer.

I remember operating the booth at the Twilite when we had "All Night Movies". We started at dusk and ran until dawn. Nothing showed twice and the manager made me be sure that the last feature ended while you could still see the picture. Those who stayed through the night were given coffee and doughnuts after the show.

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Demetris Thoupis
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There is a thing called "flaps" to "control" the light. There are also motorised flaps

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Joe Elliott
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When I managed the I-70 drive-in in Kansas City, the KC Royals (Kaufman)stadium lights would wash out our screens after they would re-position them. We would then have to call and they would re-adjust them again. They were required to, because the drive-in was there before the stadium. I would think the same grandfathering would apply, however every states laws can be different.

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John Hawkinson
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I'm honestly surprised states have effective laws about light polution. I would fear you would be required to buy the adjoining property and to make sure this doesn't happen, which sounds like an expensive and impractical proposition...

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James Westbrook
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In the picture warehouse under the Astro Drive-In you will find they were having problems with light pollution from an auto auction parking lot for the last several years they were open. This was Dallas' last drive-in.
When the Golden Horseshoe was open in Lubbock years ago, the city of Lubbock was nice enough to mount shrouds on the drive-in side of the street lights that ran closest to the drive-in on University avenue to keep excess light out of the lot. Didn't help much as development around the drive-in contributed more to the light pollution. The site is now a large K-Mart.

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Louis Bornwasser
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"Damage" to one's business results in a reduction in profits and property value. Any lawsuit revolves around damages.

While it is best to not have any damage; it is proper that damages be compensated. Sometimes the drive in is worth more dead than alive. Louis

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Jack Ondracek
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That may sometimes be true, but probably not in the case of this drive-in. As they go, this is one of the more successful operations.

Too often though, owners don't want to get in the middle of a long legal fight. By the time they realize they have a serious problem, the business is all but gone.

Pacific Theatres has one Washington drive-in left (under their "United Drive-Ins" corp). It's a 6-screener... 56 acres, 2 snack bars, something like 3,000 cars total. Development has surrounded it over the years and, wanting to redevelop themselves, they've done nothing about light pollution. A nearby car dealership has pretty much effectively turned the place into a 4-screener.

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Sam Graham
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We have a subscriber mailing list through the 99W Drive-In website specific to development as it goes up around the drive-in. We started this after an uncooperative Burger King went up to the west.

Now, each time something new comes up, we send out a notice announcing the scheduled public input period with the city's contact info, describing the project and emphasizing that the ambient lighting needs to be controlled to keep the screen from being washed out. The drive-in fans (there's about 300 subscribers to the list) flood the city planner's e-mail box, and specific lighting restrictions get written into the plans.

Overall, it's been pretty successful.

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I really hope the Aut-O-Rama wins this before it gets driven under by an impending legal battle.

But if all else fails, try the "Don't get angry-Get even" mode of approach...such as-

Sound cannons
Localised cloud seeding [evil]
Unified car horn honking during sporting events &tc.
Super Trooper or Flame arc spotlights

My point here is that if the Sports pavillion wont even be a bit reasonable, then could the Drive-in be held unlawful for trying to save an existing successful business?

The Aut-O-Rama guys really need support.
Cheers
Ian

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Jack Ondracek
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I'm voting for the drive-in. The owner is a tough gal. Doubt if she'll put up with anything she doesn't have to.

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