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Author Topic: York Theater Pictures Betsie Beadling Expert Film Handler Posts: 178 From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA Registered: Sep 2000 posted 06-08-2005 05:12 AM                     The ELF Platter Picture, the film looks like it got wound really weird!!! Wont that ruin the Film????  |  IP: Logged Dieter Depypere Master Film Handler Posts: 343 From: Deutsch-Wagram, Lower Austria, Austria Registered: May 2005 posted 06-08-2005 05:50 AM                     no, this is a characteristic of the ELF platter. On this platter the head and the tail are spliced together (that's why it's called "endless"). So when run, the film goes from the inside through the brain & projector back to the same platter and taken up on 6(in the case of that theater it might as well be 4 or 5) pins on the outside. In a given time distance these pins are pulled in and another 6(or whatever) pins move the film to the inside. This causes the star shape. You will need this because the speed on the platter is on the inside much slower than on the outside. That doesn't ruin the film that much as it would be taken up on a round shape. I think this system is developed by Kinoton. The big advantage is that you don't need to rethread the projector (haha show me some projectionist who is too lazy to do that) but on the other hand over a long time distance it still ruins film.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-08-2005 07:08 AM                     quote: Betsie Beadling Wont that ruin the Film???? quote: Dieter Depypere no, this is a characteristic of the ELF platter. While it is a characteristic, endless loops of this variety do scratch film and I consider scratched film ruined film! In order for the head of the film to get back to the center again the film continually slides on itself as the head works itself back to the center again. This film movement is caused by the tamper arm constantly pushing in on the film and forcing it back inward. There is no way that this system could work otherwise. While the ELF is the better of the endless loop systems these devices still ultimately scratch a print no matter what, generaally the result being cinch marks. Another disadvantage of them is that if the print is even slightly oily the film cannot slide against itself without sticking to itself.... the result is sometimes a really nasty film pile up and yet more film damage. Having gotten films in the past from this chain I can certainly attest to the cinch marks they cause. Bob Potts of Potts platter fame was the inventor of the endless loop system. The only continous loop system available that is gentle to film is a loop cabinet type of system..... pretty impractical for a cinema. While an operator can make up all kinds of excuses for using this system... such as it frees managers to take care of customers, etc.... it really only represents film not being doone right. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-08-2005 07:43 AM                     Kinoton still offers the ST-2000E endless loop platter system. I have never seen one operate. Has anyone seen one in operation over a long time? Any thoughts? As for minimizing booth work...the Kinoton FP 30ER system can do that the proper way...2-projector with rewinding projectors (without damaging film).  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-08-2005 12:33 PM                     ..and the one pic of the floor person lacing up...-piling the lead film on the floor before heading over to the rewind deck.... ..one can see an Strong/Alpha A-3 in those Potts platters.. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-08-2005 03:35 PM                     Discussion of endless loop platters should continue here , as that thread was created first, labled clearly with the specific topic, and started inside the correct forum. Continuing posts on this thread should be about other unique aspects of the York Theatre.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 06-08-2005 04:07 PM                     Potts and Strong come out of the same factory...Design Manufacturing. I love the exposed speaker termination board on the wall for the audio rack....how did it get passed inspection...NEMA electrical boxes with covers are not that expensive....probably their insurance company is charging them more per year based on the booth set up.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-08-2005 05:32 PM                        What's with the single-deck platter next to the Strong MUT? The wiring in the "reverse shot of equipment" photo needs some improvement. Also, one of those Centurys is missing its threading bulb (equipment that is missing parts like this drives me NUTS). Nice reverse-slope auditorium, too. I've seen this in several venues and have never understood why anyone would have ever thought it was a good idea.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-08-2005 06:10 PM                     I have to confess that when I did the work for this chain back in the mid 80's there were not exposed wires like I see in the pictures and all those loose cords at any of their locations. Things certainly have become messy since my tenure there. There is no way in hell that those booths coulda passed any rigorus electrical inspection. Mark  |  IP: Logged Betsie Beadling Expert Film Handler Posts: 178 From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA Registered: Sep 2000 posted 06-08-2005 08:22 PM                     Go ahead and close my thread Since Mr. Per Harburgh was first at this Subject matter.  |  IP: Logged

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