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Mark J. Marshall
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There's a debate raging in a star wars forum concerning a line in the movie. It seems that some people remember hearing Padme say:
"So this is how democracy dies... with thunderous applause."

...and some remember hearing her say:
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."

For both of my prints, she says "liberty". Does anyone have a print where she says "democracy"? Or maybe in DLP she says it?

I personally can't imagine there being two versions, as the dialog is mouthed on the screen, but I suppose anything is possibe, especially with GL. Personally, I think it's probably the power of suggestion playing games with people's minds.

[ 06-10-2005, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: Mark J. Marshall ]

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Mike Heenan
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Wasn't there reports of the DLP version of Ep. 1 being different?

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Mike Blakesley
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Maybe these people are thinking of the line later in the film where Obi-Wan says, "My allegiance is ... to democracy!"

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Brad Miller
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I know Episode II had a scene at the end involving two different hands.

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Mark J. Marshall
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There's a lot of lines referencing democracy. Palpatine says it at the opera scene too. Like I said I think it was the power of suggestion for the people that think they heard it. I dont see how there would be two different versions in the US - I mean some theaters have five or six prints. I think someone here would have noticed it by now.

Some people claim to have seen it recently in DLP and heard "liberty" so I don't think it's a DLP/film version difference.

Some are claiming that it's possibly a domestic version vs international version thing, so I'm really interested to hear from our friends overseas. But I'm even doubting that because some people overseas are claiming to have heard "liberty".

Again, I dont think there is anything to this. The DLP version probably is slightly different than the film version, but I dont think this is one of the differences.

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Joe Redifer
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My question would be this: WHY?

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Jeremy Fuentes
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So people would have to go out and buy 2 versions of the DVD...Joe, what does your downloaded copy say? Democracy or Liberty? Mine says...So, this is how the theater industry dies?

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Eric Hooper
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quote: Jeremy Fuentes
So people would have to go out and buy 2 versions of the DVD...Joe, what does your downloaded copy say? Democracy or Liberty? Mine says...So, this is how the theater industry dies?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Lol!

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
For both of my prints, she says "libery".
That's not what she says on the version I saw, and that is an absolute guarantee!

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Mark J. Marshall
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Haha [Razz]

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Paul Konen
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Was by a film print tonight. She said Liberty.

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Christos Mitsakis
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OK, a word from overseas.
35mm version, clearly says "..this is how liberty dies.."
Not much of a big issue I think. Just for crazy fans to have to talk about.
C.

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Dominic Espinosa
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All 3 of my prints said Liberty.

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Robert John Jeromson
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In both of our prints she says "liberty" [Smile]

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Randy Stankey
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Liberty.

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