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Jim Ziegler
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Qaeda Ally May Target U.S. Theaters, Schools

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al Qaeda's chief ally in Iraq, may be planning attacks on "soft targets" in the United States including movie theaters, restaurants and schools, Time magazine reported on Sunday.

White House national security adviser Stephen Hadley would not discuss the specific warning, which Time said was circulated among U.S. security agencies last week in a restricted bulletin.

But he said the administration was concerned about reports -- "which we think are very credible" -- that Zarqawi is working more closely with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization.

Hadley said movie theaters, restaurants and schools "are the kinds of targets we know that al Qaeda has traditionally been concerned about."

"But we, at this point sitting here, do not have evidence of a specific operation by Zarqawi's organization targeting those kinds of targets. We just don't have that kind of information at this point," Hadley told CNN's "Late Edition."

The warning comes two weeks after President Bush, in a rare public mention of the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, said stopping bin Laden from a new attack on U.S. soil was "the greatest challenge of our day."

Time said the bulletin was based on the interrogation of a member of Zarqawi's organization.

It cited Zarqawi's belief that "if an individual has enough money, he can bribe his way into the U.S.," by obtaining a visa to Honduras and then traveling across Mexico and the southern U.S. border.

But the magazine quoted intelligence agencies as saying there is no evidence that Zarqawi's agents have infiltrated the United States.

Bin Laden has eluded U.S. efforts to hunt him down, and he occasionally surfaces in a video or audiotape to show followers he is still alive. U.S. intelligence agencies believe he is hiding in the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Zarqawi, blamed for orchestrating insurgent attacks against U.S. forces and Iraqis, has become the most hunted man in Iraq. In December, an audiotape message purportedly from bin Laden formally named Zarqawi as the head of al Qaeda in Iraq.


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Ken Layton
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A terrorist group could drive cars up against the exit doors to all the auditoriums thus blocking escape, climb on the roof, feed nerve gas into the HVAC units, and presto---dead people. Or they could storm the lobby and spray everyone with machine guns and hand grenades. Or they could just flat out drive a truck bomb into the theater.

A horrible scenario to say the least and who knows what terrorists could be planning. We've all got to keep our eyes and ears open to help prevent this kind of stuff from happening.

Seems like terrorists want maximum body count so I'd think they'd try to go after the large theaters like 16 screens or bigger.

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Jim Ziegler
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Busy megaplexes in large cities would be the most likely targets. A suicide bomber blowing themselves up in the lobby would probably be the most likely method of attack.

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David Stambaugh
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Not to be morbid, but it's surprising that something like this hasn't already occurred. Either homeland security is very effective, or the bad guys are biding their time while hoping we'll let our guard down. They would probably target a large multiplex, on a very busy day, maybe when a big movie opens, like "Revenge of the Sith". [uhoh]

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Pravin Ratnam
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Pesonally, I don't think theaters need to do anything but be "aware" of what is going on. I would be against metal detectors as I don't wish to clear my pockets of change every single time I enter a public place. If the theater wants to have security cams and have someone monitor them, then more power to you. I do not want any more security procedures when going to a theater. A terrorist can attack any place he wants to. You make theaters very safe, they will go after grocery stores. You make that safe, they will go after a regular office building. Or a nightclub. We can't really live in fear because they might target a public place. We don't really demand extra highway security with everyone going through a checkpoint because of a few DUI drivers, do we?

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David Stambaugh
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I agree with you Pravin. Something like this is nearly impossible to prevent at a practical level. So there's no sense in worrying about it. But it's still good to be on the lookout for anything or anyone that's very out-of-place. Not paranoia, just common sense.

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Monte L Fullmer
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..I heard that the REG 21 in Boise, had a bomb scare last year. That place, being so busy, can draw the crowd and makes one wonder of such things. - Monte

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Jim Ziegler
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quote: Pravin Ratnam
A terrorist can attack any place he wants to. You make theaters very safe, they will go after grocery stores.
If a theatre gets hit, you will see a massive drop in revenue in theatres nationwide for a signifigant amount of time. Additionally, the company whose theatre gets hit will probably be sued out of existance. Apathy is not not an option.

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Pravin Ratnam
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Jim, there might be a short term hit, but I doubt it would be any worse than making moviegoing a little bit more inconvenient forever. Other than airplanes which are very symbolic, I doubt the Oklahoma and WTC incidents created a fear in a significant amount of people working in public buildings or skyscrapers. You will see a very subtle downturn in revenue on a long term basis. People subconsiously will not bother to watch a borderline movie if they are lazy.

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Paul Mayer
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Still, nothing one can really do about the vulnerability in a free society. It's probably best to adopt a public attitude similar to how the Israelis deal with this. It happens, do the best you can to prevent it, but in the end accept that it will happen every now and then. Clean up the mess and press on. Life for the survivors goes on. Refuse to be cowered by the fanatics. May have to change some laws to prevent lawsuits involving suicide bombings (except for suing the families of the bombers), since they could be considered "acts of war".

Check out the January/February 2005 issue of The Atlantic Monthly for a future scenario by Richard Clarke about the coming second wave of al-Qaeda attacks on US soil. Starting this summer, casinos in Las Vegas and Atlantic City, a certain ocean park in San Diego, and certain mouse-themed resorts in Florida and California are the first targets of the second wave in that scenario. All low-tech suicide bombings, by either individuals with backpacks, or drivers in RVs. All of the bombers are non-Arab but still fanaticized Muslims, freely able to enter the US from Canada and Mexico.

In the same issue is an outline for a containment strategy for the age of terror entitled Success Without Victory. Provocative reading.

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Jim Ziegler
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quote: Pravin Ratnam
I doubt the Oklahoma and WTC incidents created a fear in a significant amount of people working in public buildings or skyscrapers.
Actually, there were quite a few people who, aftre 9/11, were scared of working in skyscrapers and even more who were very hesitant to fly. Remember the federal loans to airlines to keep them solvant post 9/11?

Irregardless of whether or not you can prevent all terrorist activites, companies have ethical and legal responsibilites to their staff and customers to do everything they can to prevent them from being the target. Taking a defeatist attitutde such as "well we can't do anything about it, so we will do nothing" only makes society as a whole more vulnerable.

Just like with crimes such as burglary and robbery, target hardening is the key. If you make it harder to hit you than the night club down the street, then the perp will, most likely, go to that night club down the street and leave you alone.

Oh, and Pravin, having worked at a theatre that was on the recieving end of one of the Chicago union's chemical weapons, I can tell you that the financial impact is severe. Our attendance did not recover for months even though not one customer was injured. Just the idea that terrorists were targeting this chain was enough to keep the public away.

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Pravin Ratnam
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Jim, a company can go bankrupt for many reasons. You do not go fearing every single negative outcome and waste money, time, and resources trying to prevent all of them.
You do not priortize the unlikely event of your specific theater getting hit. As I said, individual owners who are nervous should feel free to increase the security and let the market decide. All I hope is this does not become an industry wide thing unless they can come up with some elegant simple convenient measures. Terrorists targeting any chain outside Times Square or somewhere in LA is unlikely. While you point out many people didnt want to fly, I can also point to many people who flew less because of the security hassles and wait periods. And going on an airline is less of an impulsive decision than going to a theater. The more inconvenient you make it for someone to indulge in something impulsive like watching a movie, the less likely they will watch it.

Unless you play a movie version of a Salman Rushdie book, I don't think you have anything to fear of a terrorist targeting your chain.

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Don Furr
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This might be slightly off topic but we went to a Regal up here in Cobb county (Ga) last week to watch a movie. After the movie started a saw this person (too dark to even see a face) with a large back pack enter the auditorium and sit about half way down from the top where we were sitting. He took the back pack off, set it in a empty seat next to him and in about 30 seconds he got up and left. I sat there for about 2 minutes wondering if he was coming back or did he leave the theatre [uhoh]
I couldn't stand it!!!! I felt very uncomfortable so I got up to see if I could spot him or at least let someone know a backback was left in the seat. When I got to the lobby he (the only one in the lobby) was at the concession stand. He returned to his seat and my "uncomfortable" level was reduced by 90%.
I thought theatres didn't allow backpacks to be brought in anymore???

Don

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John Pytlak
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quote: Don Furr
He took the back pack off, set it in a empty seat next to him and in about 30 seconds he got up and left. I sat there for about 2 minutes wondering if he was coming back or did he leave the theatre

Getting up and reporting it immediately would have been the right thing to do. You are correct that security today should prohibit large parcels or backpacks, or at least have them inspected prior to entry.

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David Stambaugh
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Right after 9/11, Regal posted decals on the lobby entry doors here that backpacks etc. are not permitted inside. I don't think they're strictly enforcing it though.

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