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Ethan Harper
E-dawggg!!!

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 - posted 05-01-2002 09:08 PM      Profile for Ethan Harper   Email Ethan Harper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Did anybody else get this? It would have been better if the pirate had a reel in his mouth instead of a knife.

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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 05-01-2002 09:16 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
With the crap Hollywood is still putting out, who in the hell in their right mind would want to steal it?

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Adam Fraser
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 - posted 05-01-2002 11:09 PM      Profile for Adam Fraser   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Fraser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yep, we got one too. Just saw it for the first time today when I came to work.

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Don Anderson
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 - posted 05-02-2002 01:06 AM      Profile for Don Anderson   Email Don Anderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Could they have made the thing a little bigger. Gee whiz. I'm not too sure if I want to put the bloody thing on our boxoffice window. Looks crappy too.

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Greg Mueller
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 - posted 05-02-2002 09:18 AM      Profile for Greg Mueller   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Mueller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm sure everyone will see that sign and be sooooo scared. It will undoubtedly foil all plots to pirate anything. In fact they should just put one on the front door of every airport, except say no Hijackers. That should take care of that!

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 05-02-2002 10:00 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Seriously, theatres need to take an active role in preventing movie piracy. Theatres should have a strong program of print / digital file security (e.g., do your film shipments sit in an area where they can easily be stolen?) and need to have procedures in place to catch audience members or employees who try to copy movies. "Screener" videos should not fall into the wrong hands, even for just a few hours.

CAP Codes and digital watermarking are only a few of many tools the MPAA uses to catch and convict the criminals who prey upon the industry. The job you save may be your own.

BTW, the MPAA does have a generous reward program for anyone that provides information leading to the conviction of movie pirates:
http://www.mpaa.org/anti-piracy/
http://www.mpaa.org/anti-piracy/contact/index.htm

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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 05-02-2002 10:43 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Do signs like this really do any good? Are release prints really a major source of pirated video copies of movies? I was under the impression that most of the pirated videotapes and VCDs sold by "professional" pirates originated from studio or screener tapes and not from 35mm prints. Is this not correct?

Related Q: will the theatres playing Star Wars in DLP have guards in the booths, just as they did for Episode I?

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 05-02-2002 10:55 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Lots of the pirated videos on the street and on the internet have been traced to simple camcorder recording in theatres. The quality may be poor (including flicker, cropped images, unsteady camera, audience sounds, shadows of audience members, etc. ), but these crappy copies are still a threat.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
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Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 05-02-2002 12:18 PM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a bootleg VideoCD of "Space Cowboys" that my dad bought in the Phillipines about a week after it started playing in theaters over here. It was done with a camcorder in a theater, and someone's head sticks up through most of it. The sound seems like it was fed directly into the camcorder though as I didn't hear any ambient noise; they might have plugged a hearing-impaired device into the microphone jack. It's no substitute for a good copy of the movie, but I look at it every once in awhile just to laugh at it- the cover art is pretty funny too.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 05-02-2002 01:39 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why do studios send out screener tapes anymore? Is this really necessary? They might as well put "Please copy me" stickers on the tapes since they are just asking for it by doing that.


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Ian Price
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Screener tapes are for critics to see the film who are too lazy for a drive down to the city to watch the movie on film like it was meant to be watched. We get them all the time and Ky and I hardly ever watch them. They usually have a bug on screen all the time that says this is a screener tape and please don't copy.

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Scott Norwood
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If I were a distributor of art-house pictures, I'd send out screener tapes, too. This is because a) the demand for pirated copies is low and thus the risk is minimal and b) small-town theatre owners (understandably) are reluctant to book films that they are unfamiliar with and theatre owners in smaller towns are unlikely to be able to see the limited-release titles at screenings or at commercial theatres. Obviously someone thinks that this is worth the risk for certain types of films.

Would I send out screener tapes of, say, Spike and Mike's Animation Fest? Sure! Would I send out screener tapes of Star Wars or Spiderman? Hell, no!

Besides, small-town theatre owners are not very likely to want to pirate this stuff, since it would do nothing but hurt their own business.

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John Scott
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 - posted 05-04-2002 08:41 PM      Profile for John Scott   Email John Scott   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You should also keep an eye out for people who may have keys to your building such as your cleaners comming in back doors during operating hours. A friend of mine who works for a different circuit said he about a month ago had a situation where the cleaners came in through the side door with their key and were found in one of the auditoriums with a video camera recording an afternoon performance. What makes the situation rather amusing is that they didn't think there was anything wrong with this when they were confronted (getting in for free or videotaping the film). Needless to say my friend told me that after a call to the cleaning company that crew in question needed to find new jobs.

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Dave Macaulay
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 - posted 05-05-2002 10:20 AM      Profile for Dave Macaulay   Email Dave Macaulay   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Piracy is a menace, but I think less so to the film industry than to software and music producers. I could download Spiderman.avi before the film opened. If I had I think it would have been more of a full length advertisement for the theatre business than a satisfying experience of the film. Software and music can be enjoyed as they were originally intended, but as far as I know there is no full size theatre in America or Canada selling tickets to a pirated print of Spiderman. The home video market stands to suffer - but how do we guess the impact?
The potential for stealing a digital "print" exists, and I'm sure it will happen. Probably somewhere that copyright enforcement is ineffective they will be shown in "real" electronic cinemas to paying customers.
This poster seems to unconditionally supports some very questionable efforts to curtail personal freedom and restrict established personal rights - while hiding vehind the "Piracy" flag.
Real piracy is a big business run by organized crime. They will get access to the stuff they want to sell. Always have, always will. Just like stealing a car - if they want yours they will get it regardless of how many locks and alarms you install.
Casual "fair use" home copying was affirmed as legal in the "Betamax" case at the US Supreme Court. Entertainment companies fought hard to have home VCR's made illegal, and by losing the case they created the home video market that made them billions.
Piracy should be suppressed and the criminals sought out and prosecuted.
We should not make every citizen a suspect and destroy innovation and progress in a vain attempt to protect business models established before the technological revolution we are living through.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24616.html

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Brad Miller
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It is quite possible that the sudden reason for this anti-piracy push is because of the whole digital cinema thing. Lucas is trying to have as many DLP machines installed as possible before Episode II opens and there are lots of DLP screens already running Spiderman. So what you ask? Why does this matter?

Any moron can make a near perfect video transfer from a DLP screen!

Yes folks let's think about this for a minute. With a regular 35mm film projector, there are 2 or 3 shutter blades. So in essence there are either 48 or 72 images per second. Video shoots at 30 images per second and 30 does not divide into 48 or 72 without a fraction, thus a very horrible flicker will result in the taped copy. With DLP, there is no shutter, just 24 images per second. What this means is that any bonehead can take any old crappy video camera, point it at the screen (preferably on a tripod of course) and walk away with potentially a much better copy than that person could generally achieve when trying to copy a DVD because of DVD's MacroVision copy protection! Now sure the audio would sound echoey if the built in microphone was used, but many monitors have headphone jacks on them, and for those that don't, it wouldn't be rocket science for some determined low life to patch into the sound system directly.

No I do NOT advocate piracy and I have personally caught several bootleggers red handed in my theaters and confiscated their tape and scared the pants off of them, but let's be honest here, digital cinema is an open invitation to piracy.

CAP code? No I don't think so, for I've never seen the marks on a DLP presentation and it's not that effective anyway. As it stands right now, there is nothing to prevent someone from copying a DLP presentation to video. I have come up with a few ideas on my own and passed them along, but I am not sure if they will implement them or not. I'll post a couple of them here for your reading enjoyment:

*Do the "ET" trick. When ET was released in 1982 I noticed that the ending scene where there is no dialogue, but random shots of everyone staring at the ship in awe as ET leaves Earth that the shot order varied between prints. Very sneaky and very effective! Such a thing should be easily able to be accomplished with DLP, for it would just be a matter of modifying the digital files between "prints".

*Do the Yoda thing. When Empire Strikes Back was released some of the audio was changed. The most obvious example is when Luke first meets Yoda. Luke says "Hmmm, I feel like" and then Yoda replies "feel like what?" Luke does a quick turn around and in half of the prints Yoda moved his stick in front of his face and in the other half of the prints Yoda does the same movement, but says "eeeeeeeehgh!" Little audio changes like this should also be changed easily enough.

*Change a number on a door. This is my favorite and to my knowledge has not been implemented. Let's say Jar Jar is running down a hallway trying to escape death from an attacker. (Let's hope the attacker wins!) As he stops in front of a door that door could have a number on it or the nearby wall. How hard would it be to make that number the "DLP print number"? Not too hard I wouldn't think.

*Even more subtle, but highly effective would be to take a shot that is long to begin with that the director wouldn't mind shortening, such as an establishing shot, and chop frames out of it to signify the print number. Let's say there is an establishing wide shot of a landscape that holds on the screen for 8 seconds, but the director is willing to cut it down to 4. That right there would mean that with simple 24 to 30 FPS math you could make about a hundred specific "DLP prints" and the other prints could use a different long shot like this to get another 100 or so more markings. Simple!

Why am I not working for the MPAA?

Regardless, the bottom line as things currently stand:
Film = good
Digital = evil



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