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Mike Jones
Expert Film Handler

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From: Birmingham, MI, USA
Registered: Jul 2000


 - posted 07-04-2001 03:47 PM      Profile for Mike Jones   Email Mike Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was wondering if there was such a law that prohibited people under the age of 18 from becoming a projectionist. I'm not sure if it varies state to state (I'm in Michigan).

At times, we have had trouble finding people that are we like and are capable over 18 but we have several under age that seem to be a perfect fit?

Anyone have any info on this?

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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Some (all?) states have laws against allowing employees under the age of 18 to operate mechanical equipment that may be potentially dangerous. This might include such things as forklifts, heavy machinery, and, possibly, projectors and popcorn machines.

In states that have licensing requirements for projectionists (as Massachusetts does), there are often minimum age requirements for obtaining a license.

The best thing to do is to check with a lawyer who is familiar with local regulations.

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Betsie Beadling
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From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
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 - posted 07-04-2001 04:24 PM      Profile for Betsie Beadling   Email Betsie Beadling   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ummm Isnt this Same Topic in Ground Level???

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Jerry Chase
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From: Margate, FL, USA
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 - posted 07-04-2001 04:33 PM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Federal:Contact the U.S. Department of Labor, Wage and Hour Division. Ask to speak to the Child Labor Contact. Call Chicago at (312)353-8667 if you live in Michigan.

In general:
There are seventeen prohibited jobs for youth under the age of 18 and over the age of 16.

1. Manufacturing or storing explosives.
2. Driving a motor vehicle and being an outside helper on a motor vehicle.
3. Coal mining.
4. Logging and sawmilling.
5. Power-driven wood-working machines.
6. Exposure to radioactive substances and to ionizing radiations.
7. Power-driven hoisting equipment.
8. Power-driven metal-forming, punching, and shearing machines.
9. Mining, other than coal mining.
10. Meat packing or processing (including power-driven meat slicing machines).
11. Power-driven bakery machines.
12. Power-driven paper-products machines.
13. Manufacturing brick, tile, and related products.
14. Power-driven circular saws, band saws, and guillotine shears.
15. Wrecking, demolition, and ship-breaking operations.
16. Roofing operations.
17. Excavation operations.

Operating projectors is a grey area. The potential injury from getting caught in polyester film feeding into a projector or in changing a lamp would fit the term "hazardous" employment by most definitions. That doesn't take into account exploding film reels, which we all agree are hazards. If you grew crops in the light of the projector beam, you could claim agricultural exemption, where kids over 16 can work at anything, hazardous or not. Laws don't have to make sense.

Michigan Child Labor Laws

I wouldn't take the chance.



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Darryl Spicer
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we have a rule here that was established by our company. You can learn how to run a machine if you are 17. But doing things like changing bulbs and diodes are not to be performed by anyone under the age of 18. So what I like to do is if someone shows me the potential and willingness to learn i will teach them the basics if they are 17. Teach them other things when they turn 18.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 07-04-2001 06:27 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you Betsie.

Mike, please do NOT create the same topic in multiple forums! Doing so destroys the organization of the forums.


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Dennis Atkinson
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From: Birch Run Michigan
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 - posted 07-04-2001 06:58 PM      Profile for Dennis Atkinson   Author's Homepage   Email Dennis Atkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
16 is OK with "adult" supervison. It's the hours you have to watch.
One thing you don't want is a minor getting hurt on the job. If the school system doesn't like you, it provides them the perfect excuse to pull all work permits for the minors working in your business that go to the same school. I have seen it happen.

Dennis

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Gordon Bachlund
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 - posted 07-05-2001 12:43 PM      Profile for Gordon Bachlund   Author's Homepage   Email Gordon Bachlund   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Back in what I euphemistically refer to as the "golden age" of motion picture projection, both the City and County of Los Angeles issued projectionist licenses to persons 18 years of age and older who passed a rigorous examination, the City's being the most rigorous as it included a written test and a skills evaluation in an actual carbon arc changeover booth in City Hall. If you are interested in more on this, visit www.film-center.com, click on COLLECTING BASICS and read the "Introduction."

In 1972, my old licenses having long expired, I re-opened a closed theater in an LA suburb and had to take the LA County test. This was administared by the Fire Department and it included questions concerning precautions about handling xenon lamps, questions concerning 70mm film and magnetic sound, and each examinee was required to make an acceptable cement splice.

How times have changed!

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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 - posted 07-05-2001 12:49 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gordon: Watch that "." after the .com in the URL.

http://www.film-center.com works.

Your 1935 quotation of Adolph Zukor, then Chairman of Paramount Pictures, who summarized the art and honored F.H. Richardson, author of the "Blue Book of Projection", is very appropriate to this group, and well worth remembering:
http://www.film-center.com/gb7.html

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"There comes in the career of every motion picture that final occasion when all the artistry, all the earnest constructive endeavor of all the man-power and genius of the industry, and all the capital investment, too, must pour through the narrow gate of the projector on its way to the fulfillment of its purpose, the final delivery to the public.

That delivery is a constant miracle of men and mechanism in the projection rooms of the world’s fifty thousand theatres. That narrow ribbon, thirty-five millimeters, flowing at twenty-four frames a second through the scintillating blaze of the spot at the picture aperture and coursing by at an exactingly-precise 90 feet a minute past the light slit of the sound system, demands a quality of skill and faithful, unfailing attention upon which the whole great industry depends.

The projector lens is the neck in the bottle through which all must pass. The projectionist presiding over that mechanism is responsible for the ultimate performance upon which we must all depend.

The projector must not fail, and more importantly still, the man must not fail or permit it to waiver in its performance. It is to the tremendous credit of the skill of the modern projectionist that perfect presentation of the motion picture upon the screen is today a commonplace, a perfection that is taken as a matter of course."

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I'll say it again: the Bean Counters today just don't get it. We are in SHOW BUSINESS, and "Film Done RIGHT" is an important part of that. We knew that 65 years ago. Do we still know it today???

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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John Wilson
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We know it...it's the bean counters and the executives who are only new to the game and will stay only a short while who do not.

I love that quote, John. I've always found it incredibly strange that this is the way the industry has gone...one operator for 16 screens and minimum wage.

They spend tens of millions of dollars on making a film, years on the production, many more millions on promoting the thing, and at the very last minute...when it actually becomes a thing for the public to enjoy...after all this work, time, effort and money...THIS is where they scrimp?

It's more than a little perculiar...



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Richard C. Wolfe
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From: Northampton, PA, USA
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 - posted 07-09-2001 12:01 AM      Profile for Richard C. Wolfe   Author's Homepage   Email Richard C. Wolfe   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Pennsylvania still has a state projectionist license. It requires a 30 day apprenticeship with an apprentice license before one takes the written state exam for the permanent license. The minimum age for getting a license IS 18.

Now having said that, I'm quite sure that 90% of the operators in most of the states multi and megaplexes are not licensed as the state does not inspect or enforce the law requiring them. If someone in Harrisburg got a bug up their butt about this, they could force most of the states theatres to close until they got licensed projectionist.

Hmmm... wouldn't that be nice!

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Steve Scott
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 - posted 07-15-2001 10:57 PM      Profile for Steve Scott   Email Steve Scott   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In MN, the laws of the Child Labor Act Apply (16 w/ supervision), but our corporate office wants our projectionists to be at least 18.

That's not to say that I haven't shown some 17 year olds who are really into the art some basic stuff (i.e. threading, the sound system, why I swear a lot sometimes when building prints).

I think that if I can get them interested, by the time they reach the "corporate age" they can have a head start at becoming a "quality film handler."

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