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Richard C. Wolfe
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At various times in numerous different forums the fact that business this summer has been rather soft has been mentioned.

The natural question of course is Why? Is it the product, competition from other leisure time activities, prices or what?

There were NO mega blockbusters, ie: No Titanics or even Sixth Senses! However there were a good number of films that did over $100,000,000 which in the past was considered a blockbuster or at least a smash hit.

Each week I continue to see accounts that state business was down 15%, 25%, 30% from the same period last year. Now let's consider the fact that ticket prices went up a good amount this past year...hefty hikes both before the Thanksgiving and Christmas Holidays at the end of last year and again before the summer this year. Putting the largest markets aside (NY, LA etc.)the average adult ticket price in most markets appears to be in the $7.00 range. The highest in my area are at the Regals with $7.25. Go just 50 miles east toward NY in mid New Jersey and you get $8.00 or more.

When business is compared for the present year against the previous it is by box office gross. I never hear anything said about admissions. Therefore if gross sales are down by 15% (or whatever) just think what that means in admissions. We now have more screens then ever, while at the same time less and less people going. No wonder the big guys are in such trouble...the pieces of the pie continue to get smaller.

My 35 years in this business has proven to me that whenever you put your price up,less people buy tickets. When you put your prices down, more people buy tickets. I have adjusted my ticket prices at many of my theatres over all those years numerous times in both directions...and EVERY time it follows that scenario. EVERY TIME! Maybe we are pricing ourselves out of business?

I believe that the megaplex may very well be hurting business more then it is helping it. At least for the exhibitor. There doesn't seem to be a great deal of difference in the overall grosses for most pictures, just a decline for per screen or per location grosses. For the movies in general, the same number of people going, but now divided by 37,000 rather then 25,000 screens, or on a per picture basis roughly the same people now going to see a given film on 3000 screens rather then 1500 screens as was the case not even ten years ago. Add to that the fact that with so many screens everyone who wants to see a picture can get in to see it whenever they want...first day, first week! Seldom do we hear of sellouts anymore. This creates two problems for exhibitors. The films may do about the same business overall, but now they get the same gross in two or three weeks in what took five or six, or even eight weeks or more a few years ago. The pictures are played out earlier which means more product is needed to keep screens covered profitably. And of course most of that gross is now brought in when the terms are at their highest...70 & 60%. No long runs when the exhibitor can do decent business at a 35% film rental.

Now here is the big one. The one that I think is really hurting business. One of the great aspects of the multiplex was the availability of a large choice of product for the consumer. If a moviegoer went to see something and it was sold out, they would make another selection and often see another film that in many cases they would not go to see. This happened often before pictures were run on 2 or 3 screens. Most people would not leave a multiplex when turned away from their first choice...and this helped the grosses of many lesser pictures. This seldom happens any longer in the megaplex as hardly no one is turned away. Therefore the secondary product now suffers for that, and of course the industry as a whole as well.

Let's review:
Ticket prices are up, admissions are down.
Runs are shorter due to too many screens, therefore film percentages are higher.
Sellouts are rare, therefore no overflow to help other product.

What was the question again...Why Is Business Down? Hmmmmm


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Jonathan M. Crist
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Let see......

The average length of time from date of intital theatrical to video release is now about five (5) months..... then three (3) months later (or a total of about eight (8) months from initial release) you can purchase the same video for 8 dollars (the cost of first run movie ticket). Why should anyone go the movies?

In the 50's when the theater business was first threatened by televsion, theater owners turned to the 'Gimmick' of such things as Cinerama & 3D to lure patrons back into theaters. Like most Gimmicks these things quickly wore off. Today the 'Gimmick' is the megaplex. Like Cinerama & 3D it worked for a short while but the Gimmick is wearing thin.

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Martin Frandsen
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Bring 70mm back!

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Scott Norwood
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But what's the gimmick about a megaplex? Most of them have a couple of decent-size screens and a bunch of shoeboxes. Since (as far as I know) a given moviegoer can only watch one film in one auditorium at once, the gimmick only works if the movie that he wants to see is showing on one of the one or two big screens. Otherwise, going to most megaplexes is a total waste of money...the "experience" would be better in a decent single-screen subrun house (and cheaper, too).

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Ken Layton
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We just closed our Skyline Drive-in theater for the season last night (we had over 200 cars last night) and we had a good season. While standing at the boxoffice at various times during the season I heard the same comments from many customers, "We can't afford to go to the multi and mega-plexes, it's just too expensive for us."

I think high ticket prices AND high concession prices at the mega plexes are keeping people away. After all, somebody has to pay for those 20 million dollar buildings so it might as well be the customer!

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Jim Ziegler
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Hmm.. Buisness at my theatre is up compared to last year..

If you get right down to it, movies are not that expensive. Compare movie prices to such things as professional sports tickets, live theatre tickets, etc.. Movies are cheap..

I think what is hurting the buisness is that a lot of what hollywood is putting out is not very good.

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Evans A Criswell
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I think the main problem, as Jim just said, is the lack of better movies this summer. It's bad when I (who loves to see movies in theatres) check out what's playing and can't find a single movie I want to see that I haven't already seen.

A couple of nights ago, as I posted in the Movie Reviews forum, I went to see "Whipped". I went to the first showing on opening night (Friday of Labor Day weekend) and there were 6 people there including me at the 7:15 showing in a large auditoriums that I've seen sold out before. That's pitiful! There aren't any movies generating much excitement these days. To not have any movies creating a lot of excitement on the long Labor Day Weekend is really going to hurt the industry.

I have heard many complaints about movie tickets going up. Tickets are at least 7 dollars everywhere in Huntsville, and losing our second-run theatres back in May caused some resentment because people can no longer wait for the movies to hit the second-run theatres to see them for $2.50 .

I think allocating 25 or 33 percent of auditoriums in the megaplexes having 12 or more screens for second-run movies at lower admission prices would help business. For example, in our Madison Square 12, using 4 of the smaller auditoriums for second-runs would draw more people in than would showing 4 first-run movies, especially with the quality of movies nowadays.



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Dustin Mitchell
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Only problem with that Evan is that you'd have to post an usher at every door to make sure people aren't buying the cheapos and sneaking inot first run. I guess it depends how your theatre is set up. Maybe you could have a wing for second run and just have a dooperson stationed there.

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Bill Enos
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The multis is this area are at $7.50 and don't seem to have hurt all summer. Our sub run at $1.99 has been great too--over 700 for each Sat. & Sun. eve. show. Second run in a few auditoriums in the multiplexes would probably put us out of business.

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Kevin Crawford
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My theatre, in the welfare range $1 matinee and $1.75 evening, did excellent this weekend. When I left on Sunday afternoon, they had over 8,000 people through the door since Friday. My manager was expecting over 12,000 for the weekend. Normally, the State Fair takes a big chunk of business from us, not this year.

I talked to 4 managers of first run theatres in various locations in California, not one of them was busy.

Combination of crappy movies, and people don't want to pay full price for crappy movies in my opinion.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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Allow me to speak as a movie consumer. I live within 4 miles of 48 screens. There is an Imax locally. I went to fewer films this summer than ever before. Money is not the problem here...there just wasn't anything I really wanted to see. I fell asleep in X-Men and The Cell. Perfect Storm was very disappointing. Even Chicken Run, the film I most wanted to see, was a bit lacking. There was no film that really captured my interest. Of the major films, I actually enjoyed BATTLEFIELD EARTH the most, as it was so gloriously bad.

My favorite movie experiences this summer were seeing North By Northwest at a 3,000 seat restored movie palace, Theif Of Bagdhad, a silent film at the same place, and, believe it or not, the 1966 version of BATMAN at the local art museum.

With Batman, we saw vintage trailers, children in Batman costumes, and a pretty fair print of the film. The audience got involved in the film and everyone had a great time.

Sure would like to have that kind of experience at the multiplex.

I was also disappointed that my favorite local theatre, a Marcus 16-plex, seems to be losing its edge. They stopped using the curtains and the simple light show before the picture to show ads. What made this bad is that they didn't have much business yet, so most of the ads were things like "Buy more popcorn." The sound systems seem to lack impact too. No one seemed to care anymore. Tis a pity.

So, Mr. Big Time Cinema Executive, show me a good film and a good time, and I'll spend the money to go to your theatre. But, remember, for less than the price of 2 tickets, I can purchase a wonderful version of North by Northwest on DVD, and enjoy it as many times as I want.

Mark L.

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Greg Anderson
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When I started working at a movie theatre in the early 1980s, the home video world was just getting started. If a customer walked out after a lousy movie (and they were disappointed that they actually had to pay $3 to watch that nonsense), I often had to listen to their complaints. (I guess that, as a movie theatre usher, I somehow represented the industry and, since I was the first industry person that the patron saw after the movie, they often felt the need to complain to me about their own poor choice to see that movie.)

So, anyhow, many of these folks told me things like, "These theatres are going to go out of business because I could rent a movie or watch one on cable TV and it'd be tons better than this." There were plenty of people who thought that in the early 1980s but it didn't happen... until...

Now, finally, there's "Home Theatre" equipment which rivals the sound available in theatres and, while the picture at home can't compare to the theatre, at least there's consistency, the picture is never out of frame, it's never scratched, etc. Could it be that Home Theatre has finally reached a level of quality which will make those 20 year-old predictions come true? I mean, were the predictions true but they just weren't timed correctly?

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Scott Norwood
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I don't know...I still believe that there is a lot more to a good (emphasis on "good") theatre experience than simple picture and sound quality (which should be assumed to be excellent).

The social experience is a big deal and probably plays a large part in keeping some of the dumpier theatres open. There's also the scale of a real theatre which simply cannot be duplicated in a home environment. Even bad or mediocre movies can be fun on a big screen with a good audience.

I'm fairly convinced that there will always be a market for people who want to go "out" to see filmed entertainment (no one is going to invite his date to come over to his living room...), though I agree that it may not be as large as it once was.

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John Pytlak
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I agree with Scott that the experience of "going out" to the movies and enjoying a film with an audience will keep theatres a part of our lives.

BUT...presentation quality MUST be better than anything you can have at home. Digital Cinema advertising proclaims "See the Movie, Not the film", implying that dirt, scratches and unsteadiness are inherent to film. Participants on Film-Tech know that "Film Done Right" isn't dirty, damaged, unsteady or dim, and do all they can to provide the superior presentation quality that film is capable of.

IMHO, until Digital Cinema can provide significantly more resolution than a laptop computer or home theatre, and offers true cost savings shared by all, "Film Done Right" in a theatre is still the best entertainment value.

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Brad Miller
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John,

What can be done about the horrid unsteadiness problem at the labs today? Specifically Deluxe Hollywood's prints. That rhythmic vertical "beat" on their prints is incredibly annoying. Horizontal weave has never been much of an issue, fortunately.

The lack of shaking is the one impressive part of digital cinema.

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