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Ian Price
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 - posted 07-07-2000 02:55 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, let’s get into stadium seating.

The first stadium seating theatre I saw was IMAX in DC in 1976 and I said to myself, “Self, all theatres should be like this.” So I had the idea first and I should be rich.

For the record, my business partner, Ky doesn’t like stadium seating at all.

I kind of like it. One theatre by me is a Pacific 16 that was put into an old Costco store. As a result they had to make a few compromises in the design. The ceilings were not high enough so the dug pits for the screens to sit in. as a result the entrances and emergency exits and the handicapped seating are all on one plane. This plane ends up as the first quarter of the auditorium. This works really well. I like to sit there so if I were handicapped I wouldn’t mind being there. The stadium angle is also rather shallow; there is only one step between seat rows. I like this. The steps are very even. There is 8’ from the projection port to the back row. Looking at the picture, my head seems to be square on my shoulders. This theatre uses 7-inch risers.

The new 14-plex that was built in this town has really steep stadium seating. There are two steps between rows. The steps aren’t evenly spaced. The back row is right under the projection port. As I entered the second to last row while the trailers were playing, my head got into the picture. At the end to the film, I crossed each row on the way out and my head entered the picture down to five rows from the back. I am 6’4” tall but still this seems to be too much. The handicapped seating is in the front row. The entry and exits are on the bottom of the rake. I feel as though I am always looking down on the image on the screen. This theatre uses 14-inch risers.

Since the projection booths are usually on the same level regardless of how big the auditorium, I have noticed an alarming trend. As the houses get smaller the stadium risers get taller. In one theatre in Denver, I get vertigo in the smallest houses and don’t in the larger houses. UA Colorado 9 where the largest houses have 4” risers and the smallest houses has 9” risers.

I like Continental seating. This is where there is no center isle and there are only side isles. Stadium seating usually takes this approach. I was thinking of a hybrid design where the front two thirds of the auditorium is a traditional slope and the back third is a shallow stadium. We all know that stadium seating is harder to clean. So perhaps this would help. Stadium seating costs 50% more to build and perhaps a hybrid design would save some money. Anyway this hybrid design is as far as my business partner will go.

p.s. My two favorite houses in Denver had very shallow stadium seating. The Continental has 2” risers and the, dearly departed, Cooper had 4” risers. These two houses were built in the 1960s.

What do you think?

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Ky Boyd
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 - posted 07-07-2000 05:11 PM      Profile for Ky Boyd   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, let me just qualify one thing that Ian said. When I said I hated stadium seating it was based on my first experiences with it - all at AMC plexes. I hate the AMC way of stadium seating - its way to steep. I don't want to feel like I have to repel down to exit the theatre. Stadium seating that I do like includes the less steep kind built by Sony/Loews @ Metreon in San Francisco and some of the Carmike stadium seating I've seen in Montana.

But over stadium seating, I'll take a steeper floor rake such as Landmark Theatres used at the Embarcadero Center Cinemas in San Francisco, the Hillcrest in San Diego and, I'd assume, in their Boston properties. All the benefits of stadium seating - ie. clear view of the screen - without the steps.

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Scott Norwood
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I don't particularly like the Landmark "steep-slope" concept, myself. They have this in their Boston location (the Kendall Square Cinema, which is actually in Cambridge) and I find it very uncomfortable. The problem with this is the same as the problem with most of the stadium arrangements that I have encountered--they mount the screen way too high on the wall, which makes it very difficult for those of us who like to sit fairly close to the screen to find a decent seat which is both close enough to the screen for our tastes yet is not so close as to cause neck pain during the course of a two-hour film. In many such theatres, this seating location does not exist.

I'm really not a fan of the Landmark Kendall Square house at all. In fairness, the decor is tasteful and they can properly show all formats (including flat/Academy and Europen widescreen 1.66:1, as well as 16mm), but the seating is uncomfortable and most of the screens suffer from "red exit-sign glare" syndrome.

As for generic "stadium seating," I'm mostly familiar with the AMC new-construction concept and the Regal retrofit concept. Both of these have the same problems listed above--screen too hign on the front wall--and both (AMC in particular) suffer from a steep projection angle and very short throw, which causes annoying distortion on screen. Apparently GCC is adopting the AMC concept for some of its houses...many of the auditoria in the Framingham theatre have been (badly) retrofitted to stadium configurations. The new #1 house is just awful; it was originally a Showscan (70mm/60fps) venue and is now a regular 35mm theatre, featuring a giant-size screen (which can't be properly lit, even with a 5kw lamp) and a really short throw, which makes the image nearly impossible to focus. Grr. I won't even mention the effect that stadium seating (and all the additional surfaces) tends to have on sound quality (or lack thereof).

Having said all of this, I'm not opposed to the _concept_ of stadium seating (which, BTW, dates back to the silent era!), but I haven't yet seen an implementation that I have liked.

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Greg Pauley
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 - posted 07-07-2000 11:51 PM      Profile for Greg Pauley   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Pauley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The first stadium auditorium I remember seeing was back in the late seventies. We twined one of our theatres using a piggy back design (one screen downstairs and one in balcony.) The upstairs auditorium had 16" tiered seating with a 5-foot platform for each row of seats (enough leg room for Ian at 6'4".) Of course at the time we didn't call it stadium, we just thought it was kinda of cool and customers like the designed. We still operate this theater (Camelot Theater) and you can see a pic of this auditorium at www.ourshowtimes.com. This past year we took an existing seven plex that we built in 1980 and converted to all stadium seating and added four new screens. We used 12" risers in the retro auditoriums and 14" in the new with 48" platforms. I really can't image spending the extra money for platform seating with 4" risers, when you can achieve this on a slope floor. I think the whole selling point of stadium seating for customers is the unobstructed view and I think you need 12" risers for this. I do agree that the AMC design (18" risers) are to steep, especially in their larger 500+ houses. When you sit in the back of the auditoriums, you feel like you need a pair of binoculars to see the screen. Nothing personal if any AMC guys read this, but I think AMC does a lot of wacky things.

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Carl Welles
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Whoever designs auditoriums for AMC are obviously blind AND deaf. I've not seen an AMC stadium seating theatre yet that I felt was acceptable in presentation. This is not counting all of the film defects, but is only considering the equipment and architectural design. The stadium is way too steep. The stupid curved screens distort the picture even more than the almost straight down projection angle. The screen sits below you which is uncomfortable to look at. And the sound is just plain horrid.

The hybrid idea is a good one. Just don't make the stadium part too steep. Stick with 6 inch risers. That will help your sound too. Stadium seating definitely affects sound quality.

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Dave Williams
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 - posted 07-08-2000 02:47 AM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually Ian I have seen pictures of theaters overseas where many of the auditoriums are steep slope in the front half and shallow stadium in the back half, with the continental style setup. The problem as I understand it here in the US is that the wheelchair thugs are afraid of the steep slope. Apparently they fear taking off at 72 MPH and smashing into the screen.

I myslelf prefer steep slope with offsetting seating as opposed to stadium style. It was Century who started the whold stadium style in the first place, about 60 years ago. Trust me, the whole stadium thing will go away in a few years, its just a fad.

Dave

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Richard C. Wolfe
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 - posted 07-08-2000 11:13 PM      Profile for Richard C. Wolfe   Author's Homepage   Email Richard C. Wolfe   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dave:

Stadium theatres have been around since the mid twenties at least. We had, and still have several in our neck of the woods that date from that period. I could name at least fifty stadium theatres built between 1925 and 1930 across the nation, and I'm sure there were many more then that.

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Dave Williams
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 - posted 07-09-2000 05:58 AM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Great Richard, you had to blow my high! Actually I was just trying to delude myself so I don't have to spend the money to put in stadium seating. It has its benefits, however I still prefer a good slope. From an insurance standpoint, you have less chance of someone tripping, but a greater chance of getting a speeding ticket going to the front row.

Dave

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Mike Spaeth
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 - posted 07-18-2000 03:38 AM      Profile for Mike Spaeth   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Spaeth   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Regardless of what is felt on the topic - Stadium Seating is the one thing that brings customers into a theater. I was working at a 10-screen theater in Overland Park, KS (suburbof KC) that went from 1 million + in attendance/year to about 80,000 in less than 2 years (it closed August 15, 1999). The one reason - 2 AMC megaplexes (30-screen 3 miles west, and a 20-screen 1 mile east). If you don't have stadium seating in Kansas City, you don't turn a profit - bottom line.

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Dave Cutler
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 - posted 07-21-2000 01:04 PM      Profile for Dave Cutler   Email Dave Cutler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike, which theatre did you work at? I assume you are talking about the AMC Studio 30 , but what's was the 20 plex? Unfortunately for Kansas City, AMC rules the show. Their auditorium deisgn leaves much to be desired in my book.

These days the best places (in my book) to go are the Dickinson's and the Station Casino 18 (Regel, built by ACT III).

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Mike Spaeth
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I was working at Cinemark Movies 10 (119th and Metcalf, Rosana Square). The 20-screen is the AMC Town Center 20. I agree with you on Dickinson having good presentation, but have you been to either of the Cinemarks in town? The Cinemark 20 in Merriam is nice, but the Palace (on the Plaza) is the most beautiful theatre I've ever seen. They transferred me their as an Assistant after they closed Movies 10, now I run Movies 8 in Mankato, MN for them.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Stadium seating is really just a fad right now. We have a customer that does half stadium, and half sloped floor. That covers everyones likes and dislikes. What will really happen is that insurance companies will finally force an end to stadium seating and all tha big chains will have to close their theaters or rip it all out and install a standard slope floor. Stadium seating is great for basketball, baseball, or hockey films though.Makes you feel right at home.
Mark

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Russ Kress
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 - posted 07-22-2000 10:59 PM      Profile for Russ Kress   Author's Homepage   Email Russ Kress   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I disagree with the insurance issue. The Park Place retro-fit brought additional aisle illumination (Perm-Light) as well as handrails into the picture (insurance types just luvs them handrails!) The floor is completely visible even when the house lights are out.

The stadium configuration is also obviously impressive to patrons as they enter the auditoriums. When coupled with SRD and lots of QSC poweramps, these auditoriums quickly remind the patron that they are in the presense of something that they cannot get at home (unless they are related to Bill Gates *grin*).

I really don't think it's a fad either. It places allot of people in front of a screen without making them feel as if we crammed them in there.

Russ


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Dave Cutler
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Mike, I've been to the Cinemark 20 and it is nice. I haven't made it to the Palace yet, but everything I hear about it is that it's wonderful. Of course being on the Plaza I am sure that was a requirement of getting the location.

What I really don't like about stadium seating is when the surrounds don't follow the slope of the seating. By the time you get to the ground level the surrounds are a mile high, like anyone can hear them then.

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Bill Enos
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Stadium seating sucks, at least under the lighting conditions Regal imposes in this the Richmond Va. area. It is ALWAYS bright enough to read by. Very anoying, maybe they figure if the movie is bad you can read. Management claims it is because of insurance requirements. If this is the case, give me
something else.

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