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Darren Briggs
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This film can be described in a few words, Absolutley Brillant!
Anyone who enjoyed the first chapter in Mr Potters school career will love this film, it is better in every aspect posible, Story is stong and keeps up the pace right from the start to the end.
The Visual effects are seemless with the live action and the sound design is out of this world.
For those who dont know the plot or hav not read the book it is based on the second year of Harry Potter's life at 'Hogwarts school for wichcraft and wizardary'. The Chamber of Secrets is a secret room built by one of the schools co-founders who left the school due to differnce's of opinions about who should be allowed into the school.
A monster trapped in the room which if released, will kill any 'Mudbloods'(wizards or wiches which have non magical parents), the kind of people that he thought shouldn't be in the school.

The cast is the same as in the first film with Daniel Radcliffe playing Harry Potter. In this film we also meet Ron's dad, 'Mr Weasley', who is more famous in the U.K. as being part of the 'Fast Show' comedy programme on T.V. (Suit You Sir!)

The film like the first film 'The Philosophers Stone' looks quiet grainy but sharp. Is this due to all the Computer effects?? But it is visually stunning to look at, all the detail in the castle mean's you see something different every time you view the film.
The soundtrack use's the stereo surround's to great effect and you get drawn into the action even more.

Overall it is a wonderfull film experince and everyone who views it comes out with bug grins on there faces!
10 out of 10, I look forward to see it LOTR II is going to be as good a sequel as this Harry Potter sequel is.


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Leo Enticknap
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I don't know 'cos I haven't seen your Harry Potter print, but would guess that grainy, washed out contrast is a print issue. When the labs are printing 1,000 at a time the quality control goes down, it's as simple of that.

I saw two prints at two different venues (both of which take presentation seriously) of the Lord of the Rings film last year: one was crisp and sharp and dense, whilst the other looked like a bad 16mm. I was astonished at the difference in quality, but it was certainly there.

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John Scott
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I saw this at a manager screening a few weeks ago. The print I saw didn't have the graininess or washed out problems as mentioned above.

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John Pytlak
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Normally, a lab problem tends to affect a particular reel, rather than all reels of a print. At large labs, each reel is normally printed and processed individually, often on different days and on different printers and processing machines.

For one complete print to look really good, and another to look "like a bad 16mm" would require a consistent mistake across all reels, e.g., a printing error in making all the duplicate negatives. Not likely, since the distributor usually demands a "check print" to verify that the release prints match the approved answer print.

Are you sure the two venues both had the correct screen luminance and good lenses?

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John Pytlak
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Kodak CineSite did much of the effects work for "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets":
here

Roger Pratt is the Cinematographer:
here

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
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Darren Briggs
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I use an Isco backing lens and a Schnieder anamorph, focus is pin sharp across the screen, and weve got the correct light as were a THX screen. Was it shot on Super 35? Many Super 35 films I screen seem to be grainy compared to genuine Scope photography.
Apart from the grain the film looks great.
And im probably being picky with the grain as I screen 70mm once a month and you get used to the superior quality. (
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Michael Harlow
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Our print of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets was replaced on Friday morning by Warner Bros.

The DTS kept dropping out and most of the picture was either green or ginger ! The sound was very flat on Optical SR, the soundtrack again was green !

Needless to say the replacement print is excellent.

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Brad Miller
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I am betting that Darren is more picky when it comes to film grain, and his print vs. another print are no different in reality. It's no different than one person saying that the film is in perfect condition while another looks at it's condition in disgust.


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John Pytlak
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Michael Harlow wrote: "Our print of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets was replaced on Friday morning by Warner Bros. The DTS kept dropping out and most of the picture was either green or ginger ! The sound was very flat on Optical SR, the soundtrack again was green ! Needless to say the replacement print is excellent."

By your descripton, the first print was likely bad due to a lab problem. Since both picture and soundtrack were off-color, I suspect a problem with the processing solutions that day.

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Bobby Henderson
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I watched "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets" at the Carmike 8 theater in Lawton (Screen #4, THX, DTS-6). This sequel is just about as good as the first film in the series, although I'm not sure what many parents will think of the darker tone with this film. Really young kids might get really frightened by some of the sequences. The scene in the Dark Woods with all those big spiders was really pretty creepy.

There were no DTS dropouts on the show I saw, and the overall sound quality was really pretty good. Lots of surround activity. About the only complaints I would have with the track is I thought there could have been a little more sub-bass on the bottom end. And I could have done without those plants screeching. Jeez! The sound quality on that was crystal clear, but the audio effect itself was very unpleasant is not something I want to be hearing at high volume across the front mains and spread across the surrounds. I had to plug my ears! Hehe, maybe that was the point of the scene. Still unsettling nonetheless.

The complaints about Super35 and visible film grain can be repeated here. I think this film would have looked better had it been shot anamorphic. The CGI scenes were pretty clean looking due to digital intermediate steps. The regular live action shots were a bit compromised. I'm sure Warner Bros. has their eye on separate fullscreen ("foolscreen") and widescreen DVD releases next spring. That's really where the tyranny of Super35 sets in.


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David Stambaugh
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11/17/2002, 11:55AM, Regal Cinema World 8, Eugene OR, #3, probably SDDS. Attendance about 200. Slightly out of focus for the entire 3 hours. [Mad] Reel 2 (I think it was 2) had a 5-second section during the screeching-mandrake scene that suddenly turned green and the digital sound dropped out, with the volume dropping by at least half for the duration of the green. [Eek!] That reel really should be replaced. Except for that 1 major dropout the sound was outstanding. Overall image quality (ignoring the focus & brief discoloration issues) seemed only OK: grainy and just not top-notch.

I have to say I liked this more than the first one. They didn't have to tell a lot of back-story this time, so they were able to spend much more time on developing the main story. The special effects are mostly first-rate (sometimes brilliant). The kid actors carry this long film very well. Of course the adult actors like Kenneth Brannagh (sp) etc. are all great too. Considering this ran 3 hours, the audience full of children seemed enthralled with it from start to end. Sometimes there were murmurs about cool things they recognized from the book.

The trailer for "Kangaroo Jack" got a lot of laughs.

All in all an excellent film and well worth seeing in a theater. [thumbsup] Or is that "theatre". I wonder though how this got a PG and not a PG-13. There are some intense scenes.

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John Pytlak
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David Stambaugh wrote: "Reel 2 (I think it was 2) had a 5-second section during the screeching-mandrake scene that suddenly turned green and the digital sound dropped out, with the volume dropping by at least half for the duration of the green. That reel really should be replaced."

Your description sounds like a few feet of film may have been accidently fogged by excessive exposure to the darkroom "safelight", likely near a lab splice. Typical safelight fog is cyan-blue in color, and would affect both picture and sound like you describe.

Here's a SMPTE paper I wrote about proper darkroom illumination:

Shedding Light on Darkroom Illumination

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David Stambaugh
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There could have been a lab splice there that I missed. The audio dropout was so sudden it might have distracted me. [Wink]

I forgot to mention: The theater didn't have any HP2 mylar graphics for the box office or the auditorium entrances. They had to use hand-made signs. [Confused]

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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I had a print of Austin Powers in Goldmember that had the exact same thing. It was right after a lab splice, the film was cyan-blue and the audio was at about half. It definetely looked like fogged film... about 20 feet of it.

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Brad Haven
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I didn't enjoy this film a great deal, i'm sure the book was great(haven't read any), but the film just seemed to plod along with very little effort.
The only person on screen who interested me was kenneth branaugh, he certainly had a good time in his role, all the others seemed so restrained in their characters that they all just became part of the scenery.
I only saw the first film when it came out on DVD and i did enjoy it, so i came into this film wanting to see it and did my best not have high expectations, i sat through the first two thirds just staring at the screen, then it came to me that i wasn't enjoying it, i'm not here to poo-poo on it, just to say not for me [sleep]

Also had those annoying drop outs to analogue at every reel change [Frown]

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