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Jason Black
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 08-08-2002 11:55 PM      Profile for Jason Black   Author's Homepage   Email Jason Black   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Regardless of the potential draw of Vin Diesel, this film sucked.
Only two lines stick to memory, "Bitches, come" and "You're thinking police station.. you need to be thinking PlayStation and blow some shit up"

Aside from that... in the words of Joe Redifer, This film BLOWS....

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 08-09-2002 12:16 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually, I thought Vin Diesel would be the worst part about the movie. From the sounds of it, the rest of it is as bad as he is.

No, I have not seen this movie, and no you cannot pay me to watch this movie. This is hands down the second worst looking movie I think I have ever seen a preview for. (Sorry, "Country Bears" is still my reining champion for worst all time trailers for films I will refuse until the end of time to watch.)

Let's all observe a moment of silence for all of the projectionists around the country who are having to screen this horrid movie as I type this.

To all of the projectionists who are about to screen this movie, remember those golden words heard at the IMAX theater: "if you start to feel light headed or sick, just close your eyes and it will all go away." ...well, at least the image will go away. There's still Vin's terrible acting and bad dialogue you will have to continue to endure.

I would rather drink a cup of Diesel gasoline than watch Vin Diesel on screen for 2 hours.


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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 08-09-2002 12:43 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Vin Dissel (rhymes with "imbecile") looks like he is always stoned. Just look at his eyes and listen to his voice. Yes, I am judging a book by its cover, but that's how ALL books should be judged! I'm sure he is a highly educated, articulate human being with much goodness to offer the world. The fact that he has tattoos proves that he doesn't believe image is everything. The real beauty is within.

The dialog Jason quotes above sounds like it was written by The Bard himself. It is so well thought out and classy, sure to be remembered seconds from now in the future. I hope the rest of the dialog in the movie is as well versed and poetic.

I did see a few seconds from the movie where Vin Dissel (rhymes with "imbecile") was grinding on some stair rails with his phat board. You could tell he was moving slow as molasses, but the camera kept shaking all around like he was riding a rocket at 900mph. It looked baaaad!


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Michael Gonzalez
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 - posted 08-09-2002 10:37 AM      Profile for Michael Gonzalez   Email Michael Gonzalez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yea the movie was pretty bad what stood out the most was the filming errors. You could almost tell that they shot different camera angles on different days. The picture quality would change from clear to grainy and back again in the same scene depending on the camera angles. However bad plot and dialogue aside the stunt work on this film is some of the best I have ever seen. The stunt men deserve the millions not Mr. Diesel.

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Dave Williams
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 - posted 08-09-2002 01:04 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Before I begin, let it be known that I am not trying to defend the picture. I have not seen this picture. I will not prejudge this picture. I will not prejudge Vin Diesel. When I see this picture, I will judge it then.

"The stunt men deserve the millions not Mr. Diesel."

Stunt men do what they do and the high profile ones get paid well. They do it for love of it. Who the hell would get into this line of work for money? In fact, the key stuntman for Mr. Diesel died on one of the stunts. Stuntment die doing this all the time. It's a very dangerous job. Mel Gibson uses them, Arnold uses them, Keanu uses them. ALL ACTORS USE THEM. The insurance companies will not insure a production if they feel that thier insurable interest is in harms way. They would rather kill off a stuntman and pay out a few million dollars than to kill off a star and pay out a hundred million dollars. Remember that Brandon Lee died because of a stunt sequence. To say the stuntmen deserve more money than the main profile actor is fine and dandy, but unrealistic. If you ran out of production money because you paid the stuntmen first, you would never get any of the A list actors to do any films, or you would have nothing but dramas with no stunts.

Stunt oriented movies do more than just sell tickets, they sell popcorn and drinks. ACTION BABY ACTION. People want action, they want sex, they want PORN. They want it at whatever the cost. The majority of the people do not have the same mentality level that most of us technically inclined people do. The lowest common denominator wins out all the time. That is why digital movies are becoming popular, because most people just dont care, they just want sex and violence, all in two hours or so. In the great words of Barnum "a fool and his money are soon parted" (I think it was barnum, but could have been bailey, or franklin, or maybe it was diesel).

It has been said that "If someone is willing to pay you, that is what you are worth, no matter the sum, be it four dollars or forty million dollars. If you only settle for four dollars, that is what you are worth."

As for Vin Diesel and other action stars, his time is now, and his time will end, as do all action stars. And thank the lord for that.

Dave

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 08-09-2002 01:12 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Uno sciocco e il suo denaro son presto separati .

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John Daily
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I agree with everything you've said about stuntmen, Dave, except for "ALL ACTORS USE THEM." This is simply not true anymore.

Of course, Jackie Chan is the obvious one who pops into mind, as are many other Asian actors who are making American films now, but even Americans are hopping on board the realism wagon. Angelina Jolie did all of her own stunts for Tomb Raider, for example. If I need to do further research I will, but right now I'm outta coffee.

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Michael Gonzalez
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I was being movie specific with my stunt man comment. Basically my point is that the only entertaining part of this movie was the stunts (and some of them were amazing) and in a perfect world, the people who actually entertained me should be the ones who got my money (figuratively speaking of course) but I do acknowledge that it is very unrealistic but I was just making a point about this movie and Vin Diesel's performance.

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Dave Williams
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Whenever you see that someone performed ALL of thier own stunts, don't believe it all of the time. I have seen that said before, and still seen a stunt double for that actor.

It is said that Jackie Chan does all his own stunts, and he has the broken bones to prove it. As for anjelina jolie, they said she did all of her own stunts, and maybe that is true...

...SOOOO.. when I said ALL ACTORS USE THEM, yes there are a few exceptions to that rule. As I have said before, there are exceptions to EVERY rule. I have also said many a time I am not always right either.

That bieng said, MOST actors use them, even when they perform all of thier own stunts. Anytime the insurance company that has bonded the production feels queezy about the stunt, the double is moved in. So wether or not one is actually used in a movie, they are there, in case the stunt may cause harm to the actor or actress involved.

I sure am glad that we got that issue of semantics out of the way. Grammatical lesson learned, assimilated, and stored for future reference.

Not having seen the movie yet, I cannot of course comment on how horrid the movie apparently is. Now that just about the whole world of Film Tech has signed off on this bieng one of the worst movies ever, whether it was seen or not, I have nothing to look forward to. SO I MIGHT ACTUALLY GET TO ENJOY MYSELF...

YIPEE!!!

I have to wonder why the hatred of Vin. I can see it, he is a nobody that makes gobs of cash for no reason. Makes me want to cry. THATS MY MONEY!!!


Dave


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Josh Kirkhart
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 - posted 08-09-2002 05:34 PM      Profile for Josh Kirkhart   Email Josh Kirkhart   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Heres my REVIEW and not my opinion of the trailer or word of mouth.

Its a bland, sometimes fun action, popcorn movie. It is sad that they went into this looking for the franchise it could be and forgot a lot of things that hook people into them.
Score, Randy Edelman had the potential to blow this one out of the water, it looks as if he was not given the chance. We are bombarded with tired techno, and rap-rock that everyone has heard on the radio for 12 months. The title sequence is after the film, from the looks of it besides the brain thing it could have propelled me into the action frame of mind, and could have set up the theme of the movie using pieces of it during action sequences to give you a franchise sound. Something you can sell in the next trailers and spots instead they are going to depend on Diesels head to sell the next one.
Directing, not gonna dwell on this, its a popcorn movie. It was ok.
Acting, same as above.
Cinematography, could have been so much better, but it had a good foundation.
Package, as a whole could be broken up re-edited and rescored to make a good foundation and origin for the teenie-bopers bond.
Bond in my hopes will trash this thing, Cohen and the makers missed thier mark and just the package of a Bond film(world is not enough not included in this opinion) should kick its ass.

2 reels out of five, heavilly disappointed.

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Mike Schindler
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This thing has a stupid premise. It almost works in spite of it. But every time it almost starts to become good, another layer of stupidity is added, forcing the film back down into mediocrity. It really does almost work at times, but never quite makes it. One thing I will say, though, is that Dario Argento's daughter is hot.

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Brad Miller
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For those making snide cracks regarding the postings from people who have not suffered through the anguish and torture of watching this entire movie from start to finish, the postings are quite clear and upfront about that aspect. The disclaimers are there and in plain English, and or course anything posted in this forum automatically must be taken as opinion. There is no such thing as "fact" about a movie review or comment. However, everyone has that one actor or actress they simply despise, and Vin Diesel is mine. This guy is just the worst actor in Hollywood today. After watching the trailer, I can honestly say that this movie simply HAS to be worse than even Fast and the Furious, which was one of my top picks of the worst of 2001.

Remember, there ARE people who loved movies like Glitter and Freddy Got Fingered. No two people's tastes are the same and nowhere on the forums does it say that someone cannot make a posting regarding their thoughts on an upcoming movie, or a trailer, or part of a movie they saw. There is no requirement that you HAVE to screen a film in it's entirity before commenting, but common courtesy requests you make a notation if you have not. If there was such a rule, then people who watched a movie that was so terrible that they had to walk out of it wouldn't be able to put out the warning to others. That being said, the only time a disclaimer is needed and desirable is if someone is posting a comment who has not sat through the entire movie. Otherwise, it is always assumed that you have.

To the ever-growing Spaniards, give whatever review you desire, but please speak English on these forums. I am going to start deleting all future non-English posts. It's kinda like talking behind people's backs.



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Dave Williams
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 - posted 08-09-2002 07:18 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad, are you calling me snide? ME? SNIDE?

How sinful!!!


Love, Dave

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 08-09-2002 07:21 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Nope, everyone BUT you Davey.

xoxoxoxo


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David Stambaugh
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 - posted 08-09-2002 08:17 PM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"Uno sciocco e il suo denaro son presto separati"

Rough translation from Italian:

"A fool and his money are soon separated"

Vin Diesel was on the Today show yesterday. He was articulate, humble, and generally seemed like a regular guy. Of course, he is an actor. Or maybe not.


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