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Topic: Star Wars Attack of the Clones
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Dave Macaulay
Film God
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From: Toronto, Canada
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-02-2002 09:32 PM
Well, it's a Star Wars movie!
Lots of the same - admittedly good - music, spaceships zooming, a look at how Darth began to turn toward the dark side... surprises from Yoda, rather a lot of clones and robot soldiers. Chases, devious plots, treachery, and a palatable dose of Jar-Jar.
Not as slow and tedious as Eepisode 1, keeps a pretty tight pace going with a lot of switching between various story threads. When things slow down in one thread they jump to another; the various main characters are rarely together.
And I didn't see the same strong focus on side markets: the pod race in Ep.1 seemed to be there just to create a video game market and Jar-Jar looked like a (misguided) attempt create a "cute" character and sell a lot of dolls (errr - I mean action figures). There is one character (and toys coming soon...) in a cool costume complete with an array of tools, trick weapons, rockets, and whiz-bangs that would make Batman envious. I think this film will do very well. Spiderman better make it's money back before SWEP2 releases. (I thought the ending was flat though. I can't say much about it (respecting the spoiler clause) but I though it an odd place to end "The Attack of the Clones". There's a lot of story space left for Ep.3...) The print I saw is gorgeous; whatever the digital presentation looks like, digital production works! I didn't spot any artifacts. hair detail etc was excellent, contrast and colour great, just a fine image. Rendering supposedly with a mix of 2K and 4K resolution but my info is not from an authoritative source.
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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!
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From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999
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posted 05-03-2002 01:19 AM
The FILM print I saw was hideous: basketball size grain all over the place, especially in the dark scenes, 'off' colors, occasional dust spots and hairs (but not enough to really be objectionable). Things began to improve toward the end as far as the graininess went, but the grain was still there.Story wise: Without spoiling anything, it has its share of great action and the things SW fans expect to see in a SW movie. There are some parts that DRAG in the middle, and the ending was a tad anticlimactic, screaming 'To Be Continued' If this story is to continue to a smooth segue into Episode IV, I get the feeling we might see a 4-hour Episode III on the horizon... -Aaron
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 05-03-2002 01:14 PM
Aaron said: "...basketball size grain all over the place, especially in the dark scenes, 'off' colors..."In video systems, electronic "noise" can look similar to film "grain". In video cameras, noise is often most apparent in the dark areas of the scene, especially when the camera gain is increased for shooting with lower light levels:
http://www.kodak.com/cluster/global/en/service/tib/tib4131.shtml THIS LINK EDITED BY MODERATOR FOR PROPER SCREEN SIZING http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/news/wallis.shtml Dave said: "I expected to see some pixel artifacts, and didn't." It's unlikely you'll actually see the pixel structure of the camera CCD, due to the Nyquist filtering used to minimize aliasing, and the low resolution of the HDCAM recording format. Here is what John Galt of Panavision had to say on the CML on April 18, 2001:
_____________________________________________________________________ A 1920 x 1080 pixel 2/3" CCD has pixels which are 5 x 5 microns in size. If we are not going to upset Mr. Nyquist (create aliased images or moire patterns on fine detail) then the minimum circle of confusion is 10 microns. In practice, because optical low pass filters have slope, just like electronic filters, the real circle of confusion is more like 2.3 pixels or 12 microns. Please remember depth of field is a convenient construct, a rule of thumb. When you focus a lens only a small point in space is truly in focus. Depth of field implies that a certain amount of defocus will be acceptable. Whether this is true or not depends on many factors. Do your own tests for your particular application. John Galt, Senior Vice President, Advanced Digital Imaging Panavision 6219 De Soto Avenue Woodland Hills CA 91367-2602 VOICE: 818-316-2208 FAX: 818-316-1121 E-MAIL: John_Galt@Panavision.com _____________________________________________________________________ ------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Nathan Guerriero
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Posts: 43
From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 05-06-2002 04:16 PM
I saw Episode II Thur at the McClurg Court theatre in Chicago. I believe it is the only THX screen in Chicago proper, and the presentation was excellent.I'm afraid that I have little to add in the film vs. 24p debate, but I will say that the film was "digital" to the point of obnoxiousness. I saw two scenes in the film that looked to me like they were shot against real locations. Everything else looked like like it was done against the green screens. For my money, this just doesn't look real, it looks realistic. It's a subtle difference, but I don't think that you need to be very discerning to see that these scenes are not real. Furthermore, I think that the actors' performances suffer, not having an environment with which to interact. There were many points in the film where the characters just looked kinda lost. As far as the story goes, I wasn't very impressed. The first hour of the film is pretty slow. Lucas also kinda beats you over the head with the forshadowing. At one point, Kenobi says to Anikin, "I swear you'll be the death of me some day." Kinda obvious. The final battle scene is pretty cool, as are the various story reveals involving the storm troopers, Boba Fett, fate of the Jedis, etc. I'm not sure what people are interested in hearing about, or if people want spoilers or whatever, but I'll be happy to sound off about whatever people want to know.
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Will Morrow
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From: Mt. Pleasant, MI, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-07-2002 05:55 PM
Saw this in a less than one year old THX certified house, sound was amazing. This was my first THX experience, and it was grand. I immediatly noticed digital artifacting, especially in darker scenes, with greys and blacks. The actual print was in near perfect shape, but the digitized picture was way to obvious. Glare effects were used a lot, I am assuming to distract you eye from digital flaws, and of course the "blurr" effect (anti aliasing??) was in full effect as well. The story was fine, the characters were very cool actually. I am not sure what I think aout Hayden's acting, I felt like I was watching a Galactic version of Life as a House, and instead of Klein as his father, the jedi counsil was there telling him what to do.
Portman makes him look like an amateur. At just over two hours, this may be a tough one for little ones to sit through, but then again, LOR did quite well, as did Harry Potter. I liked this movie, did not like the format it was shot on. Bring back the detailed models, and earthly locations...damn computers to cyber hell. :-) Rant done...this will make some loot! -Later. Oh...YODA RULES...EVEN IF HE IS DIGITAL NOW.
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John Wilson
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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 05-08-2002 10:54 AM
Anyone noticed the irony in the fact that the main 1 sheet poster for this film is drawn by that great artist Drew? and not done on a Mac like 99.9% of posters nowadys?So, posters can be analogue, but the movie must be computer? (sigh)... BTW: Welcome back Drew! Love your work! John ------------------
"It's not the years honey, it's the mileage". - Indiana Jones.
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