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David Stambaugh
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04/14/2002, Regal Cinema World 8, Eugene OR, #4, 12:05PM, scope, digital sound. Attendance about 10. Excellent presentation. Very grainy though.

Samuel L. Jackson is an insurance salesman, recovering alcoholic, wife has taken the kids and plans to move to another state. Ben Affleck is an attorney, partner in his father-in-law's law firm, not above engaging in some questionable legal tactics to score big $$ for himself and the firm. Their paths cross when they have an auto accident. Jackson accidentally gets possession of an important legal file belonging to Affleck, loss of which will cost his father-in-law millions. On the surface the story is about Affleck's struggle to regain that file, but it's really about these 2 person's characters and how this incident changes them (and a whole lot happens in 1 day).

I liked it. Well-made and not predictable. All the actors did a very good job, although I still am not a big Ben Affleck fan. Lots of shaky hand-held camera work, kind of like a widescreen version of NYPD Blue. Also the action constantly cuts back and forth between the 2 main characters, who are following separate paths most of the time. I had trouble buying the ending though because after all the despicable things they do to each other, the "happy time" resolution seemed like too big a flip-flop for their characters.


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Brad Miller
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Did anyone else notice that the focus puller for this film was Ray Charles? (Well not really, but probably 25% or more was out of focus.)

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David Stambaugh
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LOL. Assisted by Stevie Wonder. I did notice a lot of shots with very shallow depth of field, where something in the foreground for example is in focus and everything else is out of focus. Didn't really notice anything being soft that wasn't obviously intended to be soft though. The grain was always sharp as the proverbial tack -- maybe it was distracting my attention from the actual image.



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Brad Miller
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Yeah, next time you're at the theater, stick your head into that auditorium and watch 5-10 minutes of the focus. You may have not noticed it with all of the shaky camera movements and getting involved in the story. I didn't notice it at first, but after a short bit of the feature it started to bother me, then it started to bother me increasingly more as the movie played. Even at the end of the movie when the two guys are sitting and talking to each other, one guy in one shot is in razor sharp focus, the other one in his own shot is way out of focus.

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Dave Williams
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That's actually a very common trick used by directors, with the intention of trying to get your attention either on or off of a particular person or subject.

IMHO dp's use this when they think the movie is going to suck, and any camera trick, no matter how annoying, is deployed to keep it from looking bad on them.

Problem is, it IS annoying, and I hate it. It is detracting to anyone with more than 80 IQ, which is unfortunately less than 10 percent of our theater going public. Not that I think most patrons are only as smart as lab rats, but look at the drivel they keep paying to see, and why? Cause of the poster? The Trailer? Yep, cause they saw some candy and went running for it.

We end up getting forced to watch it for the most part. Thank god we only have to make sure the reels are in the right order.

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Brad Miller
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"That's actually a very common trick used by directors, with the intention of trying to get your attention either on or off of a particular person or subject."

Oh no Dave, I think I didn't quite make that clear enough. There are shots where NOTHING in the entire frame is in focus. This is not a depth of field thing, this is just a really bad focus puller. Even during shots when the focus is to pull from one subject in the frame to the other, you can see the focus pull, but not far enough, or it pulls too far. Many of the shots the focus pulls, passes the proper stop point, then racks back past the ideal position again. Ugh.

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Michael Barry
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It's amazing with some movies (I haven't seen CL yet) how many shots there are which aren't in focus. Quite often you'll cut between a shot and the reverse shot in a conversation, for instance, and one camera setup will be in focus with the reverse shot being soft, so that every time it cuts back, it is soft again. Clearly, their budget didn't allow for a re-shoot of the out-of-focus material so they just included the take anyway because they had no alternative.

An occasional oopsy is reasonable, I guess, but when one particular movie is full of them then there is cause for concern. And my number one bugbear? The patron blames the projectionist and I get a complaint!

I believe that this happens more often nowadays because less productions use film dailies because they have switched to video dailies instead. In several instances an actual answer print isn't struck until the picture is locked. Clearly, some deficiencies in focus cannot be detected on anything less than 35MM dailies.

One of the nice things about Baz Luhrmann is that he insists on film dailies and he also evaluates new film stock prior to production by making a one-light workprint of some test footage then taking it to a local cinema and playing it on a really large screen to see how it holds up. When you see his films, this care is obvious (although even 'Moulin Rouge' had *some* variation in focus quality, although nothing majorly bad).

'Training Day' is still one of the sharpest films I have seen for quite some time. That focus puller knows their job inside out! More like that, please...you couldn't get a customer complaint about that print even if you wanted to!

Now don't get me started on 'Gosford Park'...sheesh!


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Josh Kirkhart
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Depth of Field, just wait until Star Wars and watch the posts come in.


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Brad Miller
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Sometimes we have to hate something sometimes? What??? No matter. As far as the film is concerned, I thought it was one of the better films of recent months. I noticed Ebert and Roeper gave it two thumbs up and raved about it. I didn't think it was THAT good, but certainly worth a viewing. Just don't expect a good focus from shot to shot (and within shots), that's all.

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John Pytlak
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Michael Barry said: "I believe that this happens more often nowadays because less productions use film dailies because they have switched to video dailies instead. In several instances an actual answer print isn't struck until the picture is locked. Clearly, some deficiencies in focus cannot be detected on anything less than 35MM dailies."

Unfortunately, so true!

One of the recent active discussions on the Cinematographers Mailing List (Geoff Boyle's CML site) is about drifting focus on movies shot with digital cameras. Back focus of the lenses may be an issue, but much of it is likely that they don't really see a really big, sharply projected, screen image until the digital images are transferred to film. By then, focus-pulling errors and camera problems are too hard to correct.

In addition to "Moulin Rouge", "Thin Red Line" is another movie that showed how sharp 35mm "Film Done Right" could be.

Of course, 65mm/70mm still sets the standard --- look at the sharpness that could be achieved on a big screen decades ago with films like "Lawrence of Arabia" or "The Sound of Music", using slow EI 50 films that were only about 1/3 the sharpness of today's KODAK VISION camera negative films:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/negative/
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/loa1a.htm


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Jacob Huber
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I too noticed the bad focusing, but when I brought it to the attention of the people I was with, they didnt' seem to notice. I also noticed that some scenes looked a bit wavy (i.e. almost like a shot of a computer screen where one can see the refresh, but over the entire frame and not as drastic). My friends didn't notice this either, even after I pointed it out.
Other than that, I thought it was decent, but seemed a whole lot longer than the 90ish min. running time.

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David Stambaugh
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Jacob said: "I also noticed that some scenes looked a bit wavy (i.e. almost like a shot of a computer screen where one can see the refresh, but over the entire frame and not as drastic)."

I noticed that too!! It's subtle, but it's there. Not just this movie either - I've noticed it in others. It looks like horizontal shadow bars that roll from top to bottom of the image. Very strange. At first I thought it was a projection anomaly, but I've noticed it in different theaters with different equipment so it has to be the prints. This rolling effect usually lasts for a few seconds. It comes up gradually, then fades away.

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David Stambaugh
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04/16/2002, Cinemark 17, Springfield OR, 11:40AM, #9, scope, DTS. Attendance about 30. Very good presentation. I was accidentally allowed into what was apparently a special screening reserved for talkers, cell phone users, seat kickers, gum snappers, and people with wet hacking coughs. The only thing missing was a crying baby.

Brad et al, you seem to be right about the focusing. The scene where Samuel L. Jackson is sitting in the bar is a good example. This was a static shot, no excuse for the subject doing the talking to be fuzzy, but Jackson was indeed out of focus. Now to be fair, there were other shots in the movie where a handheld camera was being used and there would be an extreme closeup of someone's face, and it would be slightly fuzzy. This may be an artistic choice and not a mistake. Or maybe the actor was improvising and moving around more than they expected when the shot was being set up. Just speculating. But yep, bottom line is I counted a half-dozen or so shots where the character's face was out of focus for no apparent reason.

I didn't see any of those wavy, rolling bars this time though.


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Aaron Haney
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I assumed the wandering focus was intentional. You know, a styllistic thing to make it appear "gritty". Half of all film and TV footage made in the last 10-15 years is guilty of this. I've learned to ignore it by now. You'd think after all this time, they could come up with a new gimmick...

In any case, I enjoyed the movie quite a bit. It was well written and well acted. Nowhere near as dumb as the trailers made it out to be.


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Joe Beres
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I agree with Aaron Haney here. I think the lack of sharp focus was intentional. That certainly doesn't excuse it, or mean I like it. The aesthetic of the film really bothered me. It is a huge multimillion dollar Hollywood production that is trying to use the production values of a Frederick Wiseman films and other verite documentaries. These documentarians used this style out of necessity. They had one chance to shoot any given moment, and had to be ready for anything.

Like Aaron said, a lot of productions have attemted to do this, but none that I recall have pushed it as far as Changing Lanes. I think for many viewers their idea is going to backfire. Rather than making the film seem more "real," the shaky camera work and soft focus are going to serve as a constant reminder that you are watching a fictional film.

Other than the visual style, I thought the film was quite good. I thought Sam Jackson was great, and I wish he would take more challenging roles more often. Ben Affleck was quite good, too. I thought the ending was too much of a neat and happy little package, but the bulk of the movie was quite interesting.

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