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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

Posts: 12859
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 01-18-2002 11:36 PM

This movie sucks much ass.

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 01-19-2002 12:12 AM

Thanks for the description there, buddy. I like the very specific and detailed points you brought out about what exactly sucks much ass. Excellent attention to detail, IMHO.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
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posted 01-19-2002 12:24 AM

No detail needed. The ENTIRE movie sucks much ass.

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David Stambaugh
Film God

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From: Eugene, Oregon
Registered: Jan 2002

posted 01-19-2002 05:08 PM

Sort of emulating the Criswell-style of review:

1/19/02, Regal Cinema World 8 (Eugene, Oregon), Theatre #4, 12:00 noon show. Digital sound, could not determine format (no audible dropouts). Image shifted up and to the left about 1 foot, image also noticeably dim on the right third of the screen. No shutter ghosting for a change (woo-hoo). Reel 3 or 4 seemed to have a lab defect: Two vertical dark shadow-tiretracks running the height of the entire frame, on the left side, maybe 8-10" wide each, and weaving in and out. Approx. 25 people in a 300-seat room. But enough of that.

This is a very graphic war film, almost a documentary. Battle sequences are well-staged, choreographed, and photographed. Ridley Scott & the editor manage to make order out of complicated, chaotic footage and it almost feels like it unfolds in real-time. Lots of bloody carnage. This isn't entertainment per se, so I will not rate it on a scale or recommend it. But I'm glad I saw it.

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- dave
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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 01-21-2002 09:06 AM

David said: "Reel 3 or 4 seemed to have a lab defect: Two vertical dark shadow-tiretracks running the height of the entire frame, on the left side, maybe 8-10" wide each, and weaving in and out."

Sounds like the soundtrack developer (which develops silver in the analog soundtrack area) was splashing into the picture area. The reels should be replaced.

Eliminating the need for soundtrack redevelopment is one reason the movie industry wants to convert to cyan dye tracks (requiring red LED readers). At the recent International Theatre Equipment Association (ITEA) Projection Seminar in LA, representatives from Disney, 20th Century Fox, MGM, Warner Bros., and other distributors supported the conversion.

Here are some links to information about the upcoming conversion to cyan dye analog tracks and the elimination of problematic soundtrack redevelopment:

http://www.atlab.com.au/faq/000531.htm
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/dyetrack.shtml
http://www.agfa.com/motionpictures/dyetrac_jpeghigh.pdf
http://www.dolby.com/tech/ci.ot.0012.ScanRev.html
http://www.dolby.com/tech/ci.os.0012.reddye.html
http://www.uslinc.com/forum/fjcyan2.htm
http://www.componentengineering.com/webdocs/whydyetracks.pdf
http://www.getgts.com/mopic21.htm
http://www.editorsguild.com/newsletter/NovDec01/ioan_allen_two.html

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E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Ethan Harper
E-dawggg!!!

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From: Plano, TX, USA
Registered: May 2000

posted 01-21-2002 10:15 AM

My print had that too except, at hand inspection the lines were purple. On screen they appeared like dark shadow tire tracks. The reel has been changed.

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John Lasher
Master Film Handler

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From: Newark, DE
Registered: Aug 2001

posted 01-21-2002 01:33 PM

Regal Cinemas, People's Plaza 17, House # 10, SDDS-8 sound.

Interesting war drama. Extremely violent. Not a popcorn movie.

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 01-21-2002 11:46 PM

Interesting observation: All of the studio/production co. logos are on the TAIL rather than the head of the film!

-Aaron

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 01-22-2002 01:36 AM

Did ANYONE actually add that extra 8 feet of black leader that was sent after the print arrived? I still don't see the point in this, as the film was fine as it was. There was no audio or picture lost without the additional leader...so what was the point of that?

Oh yeah before I forget, Joe is definitely right. The movie sucked. I was yawning through most of it and the most exciting part about it was when I left for a few minutes to use the bathroom.

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 01-22-2002 02:08 AM

I put it on, but while biulding it up, I also thought it didnt need it.
I decided to put it on anyway because why not?

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-22-2002 09:25 AM

I put the black leader on, but accidentally put it on upside down and backwards. I can't tell you how many customer complaints we got. They were all pretty pissed!

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Joe Beres
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From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 01-22-2002 10:25 AM

I actually liked the film. I thought it was a really good and fairly honest depiction of the American side of the story, at least from the soldier's perspective. If you want a movie that "sucks much ass", or a Ridley Scott movie that "sucks much ass," then have a look at Gladiator.

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Jerry Chase
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From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 01-22-2002 03:12 PM

Does anyone else see the strange humor in talking about adding a black leader on the Martin Luther King holiday?

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 01-23-2002 02:03 AM

I hadnt thought of that.
But now that you mention it, it is kind of funny.

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Ken Lackner
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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 01-23-2002 02:04 PM

Yeah, that is kinda funny. I added it, but I don't see the point either.

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