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Author Topic: Subtitles on series 1 projectors. Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 06-07-2018 09:50 AM                     How do subtitles work on series 1 projectors? Are they rendered by the projector or the server? If the projector, how are they transmitted from the server to the projector, as metadata embedded in one of the SDI streams or over the Ethernet? Could an Ethernet problem cause subtitles to freeze, or disappear?  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-07-2018 10:14 AM                     It is via Ethernet.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 06-07-2018 10:30 AM                     Thank you, problem found and fixed I think, need to do some tests after this afternoon's film comes off to be sure.  |  IP: Logged Stephan Shelley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 854 From: castro valley, CA, usa Registered: Nov 2014 posted 06-07-2018 02:52 PM                     One other thing with S1 subtitles is to make sure your TI software is at the lasted that was made. 15.1.52. This should enable SMPTE subtitles with some limitations.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-07-2018 09:30 PM                        The Doremi DCP2000 with the Dolphin media block either can or does render them in the server, and send the image to the projector as if it was a FR-en DCP rather than FR-EN (for example). I'm a little hazy on the details, and I don't know if any other Series 1 media block has this feature. As well as the TI firmware, the server's software needs to be up to date to ensure as much compatibility with SMPTE subtitles as the Series 1 hardware will allow, too.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 06-08-2018 07:29 AM                     quote: Stephan Shelley One other thing with S1 subtitles is to make sure your TI software is at the lasted that was made. 15.1.52. This should enable SMPTE subtitles with some limitations. I thought SMPTE subtitles were an absolute NoGo with series 1 machines? Do you know what these limitations are? - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-08-2018 08:24 AM                        I can't now remember the details. I believe that the use of multiple subtitle fonts within a CPL, bold, italic, etc. will not work on a Series 1 TI, that some non-ASCII characters won't display (e.g. accented characters), and that there is a limit on the number of characters per line. Not sure if encrypted subtitles in SMPTE DCPs will work on a Series 1 system, even with current software and firmware. A couple of years ago I had a Greek SMPTE DCP that wouldn't work on a DSS200/cat862 and an NC2500 (all had the current software and firmware). About halfway through the movie, the subtitles just disappeared, and no more subtitles would appear until the TI was rebooted. This behavior was consistent in repeated playbacks. When I later tried the DCP on a Series 2 system, I saw that on the system with the fault, the subtitles disappeared just before a line that contained a word in untransliterated Greek characters. I'm guessing that those characters crashed the TI's subtitle rendering engine.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 06-08-2018 09:18 AM                     I found this firmware on MyBarco: --- Series 1 release 15.01 Release adds and fixes the following issues: SMPTE (428-7) Subtitle Support Added SMPTE (430-11) Presentation List Support Added updated for latest SMPTE 428-7 Image error causes overlaping text fixed em Sufix is optional in Space, Size, Offset attributes SMPTE (428-7) Subtitle Positioning Support Added Preliminary RTL support Added Panorama Integrated for RTL support FontFusion 5.0 Integrated for Panorma Font attribute change in Super/Sub script Ruby text in RTL Italic RTL text truncation problem Fixed Multiple shadow colors in RTL Mixing shadow/border in a line in RTL Char spacing in RTL Aspect adjust/Anamorphic Scaling in RTL Last few pixels cut in RTL text with some fonts fixed For RTL text, shadow and Italic are towards lef Huge Font size text causes memory leak. Fixed --- Now, even if it is not 100% stable for all content, it is at least an option. Encrypted SMPTE DCP aspects should all be handled by the Server, if it can unwrap encrypted SMPTE MXF subtitles, which most servers on most recent software now can (even DSS100). Yes, of course, a Cinelink II/TLS supporting processing board (if necessary with a successful certificate recovery) is a prerequisite as well. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-08-2018 06:19 PM                        Agreed that if the software and firmware is all up to date in everything, most subtitled DCPs will play OK on a typical Series 1 system; but there is an element of risk. When I was using a Series 1 system in an arthouse setting that probably played around 50 to 100 subtitled DCPs a year, once everything was updated, I'd guess that we had significant subtitle problems with about 5% of them. I would advise anyone contemplating playing a subtitled DCP on a Series 1 system to a paying audience that a full rehearsal screening of the entire movie, and having backup media (e.g. a BD) available are essential, not optional precautions. As that Greek DCP demonstrated, the subtitles can suddenly disappear in the middle of the movie.  |  IP: Logged

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