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Author Topic: Can You Identify This DCP Nomenclature? Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 09-26-2017 12:07 PM                     I ingested this flick at a screening room last night. OKJA_FTR-Forced_S_KO-en_OV_51_4K_20170607...yada, yada It will be playing later this week, although I'm not doing that show since I'll be busy working a local film fest in another part of town. Anybody have a clue what "FTR-Forced" is? Key isn't good till right before the screening, and I'd like to tell the guy filling in for me what to expect.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 09-26-2017 12:40 PM                     I guess it refers to the forced subtitles for the non-English language part. Okja's dialogue is part in English, Korean and Spanish.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 09-26-2017 02:59 PM                     The subs are burned in. They are using BluRay nomenclature for no good reason. There is also a 7.1 version. Credit offset is 1:51:29 with crawl at 1:52:36 if you need those numbers.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 09-26-2017 07:07 PM                        FTR is Feature. I'm assuming forced goes with S to be Forced Sccope - not sure what that means.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 09-26-2017 07:25 PM                     Like Adam already mentioned, it's more a BluRay term. Forced subtitles are usually burned in subtitles or subtitles you cannot switch off*. In case of a DCP, those will be burned-in English subtitles for the Korean and Spanish dialogue. It's not the official DCP naming convention, but the naming convention currently simply doesn't account for such cases. * If they aren't actually burned in but simply "forced", you can actually get rid off them on a BluRay once you RIP it.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 09-26-2017 08:54 PM                     I guess the 'Forced' in this case goes with the 'en' - the lower case subtitle language means burnt-in subtitles. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 09-26-2017 10:54 PM                        If Carsten is correct, it's a bit strange that they've used the correct subtitle tag to describe burned-in subtitles, but an incorrect genre tag (FTR-forced).  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 09-27-2017 11:46 AM                     quote: Leo Enticknap it's a bit strange that they've used the correct subtitle tag to describe burned-in subtitles, but an incorrect genre tag That's what had me confused at first too. When putting the drive back in the box though, I saw that the very top of the label on the drive it clearly says "Forced English Subtitles", which I apparently missed when I was ingesting it. But thanks for all the feedback, everyone.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 09-28-2017 02:06 AM                     quote: Leo Enticknap If Carsten is correct, it's a bit strange that they've used the correct subtitle tag to describe burned-in subtitles, but an incorrect genre tag (FTR-forced). Lower case language codes indicate burned-in subtitles, but it's not what generally is being considered to be "forced". Although "Forced" subtitles are often implemented by being burned in. Forced subtitles are those subtitles for the segments where a character speaks in a different language than the "main language" of the movie or the "main language" of the audience. The Wikipedia article regarding Subtitles has a nice, non-authoritative listing of several subtitle categories. The current DCP naming convention doesn't really account for the difference between the "Forced" and "Narrative" subtitle categories. I guess they put the "Forced" tag in there at the location of the Genre tag, simply because the different versions can be pretty confusing.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 09-29-2017 02:43 PM                     quote: Leo Enticknap If Carsten is correct, it's a bit strange that they've used the correct subtitle tag to describe burned-in subtitles, but an incorrect genre tag (FTR-forced). Maybe not so strange - the lowercase en could have been generated automatically by the software they used for mastering the DCP - but they may actually don't know about the lowercase implication, so they added 'Forced' to make it clear. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged

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