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Author Topic: Issues with Win10?? Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-04-2016 03:21 PM                     Are there any serious problems using Win10 and the typical cinema tech applications - Dolby processor software, Barco Communicator/Commander, NEC DCC/DCCS, TI S1 and S2 software, QSC DCM control software, USB-serial dongles, etc... I have some clues for installing unsigned drivers and expect some grief there, but has anyone run into any insurmountable issues with Windows 10??  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-04-2016 03:29 PM                        Dolby Show Manager and NEC DCC (both S1 and S2) work for me under Windows 10 without any problems.  |  IP: Logged Leslie Hartmier Expert Film Handler Posts: 100 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Jul 2012 posted 03-04-2016 03:47 PM                     We've had no trouble using any Dolby processor software, Barco Communicator, NEC DCC/DCCS, our VNC software, or any USB to Serial dongles with Windows 10. I cannot speak for the TI S1 and S2 software, QSC DCM control software, or the multiplexer software, as I have not had cause to use them on Windows 10 as yet, although I did hear that the multiplexer driver is not supported in Windows 10.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 03-05-2016 03:45 AM                     Everything seems to work, the only reason why I am not using W10 on my business computer right now is the forced upgrades. The other day I turned on a laptop which had been turned off for a while and Windows performed the TH2 update. Result: computer unusable for 2 hours. This is unacceptable, MS should at least warn the customer. Had I been in a critical situation where my laptop was really needed I would have lost some money. Until W10 does not allow the user to at least run the updates when they want, I will stay with Windows 7/8.  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 03-05-2016 10:17 AM                     quote: Marco Giustini Until W10 does not allow the user to at least run the updates when they want, I will stay with Windows 7/8. Doesn't the "professional" version let you manage the updates?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-05-2016 11:39 AM                     GDC reports that their current TMS program will run fine under Windows 10 but that they do not yet support it. Coming soon. Mark  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 03-05-2016 12:34 PM                     Lyle, Last time I checked you can "delay" the updates but apparently Windows will update regardless if you delay them too much. Not sure if they changed this recently?  |  IP: Logged John Roddy Expert Film Handler Posts: 114 From: Spring, TX, United States Registered: Dec 2012 posted 03-05-2016 01:30 PM                        From what I've seen, Win10 will download and install updates whenever it feels like it, and there's nothing you can really do about it. But it does all of that in the background, so it shouldn't affect anything you're doing. Installation of some heavy software may use up a significant amount of resources, but I can't imagine it being noticeable unless you're already pushing the limits of your hardware with several office programs open at once or anything like that. If it needs to restart the computer for any reason, it'll schedule that automatically for a time when it sees the computer isn't in use. You can manually override it if you head into the update settings screen and change it to the time you want. Of course, it won't actually give a notification when it's scheduled for that, so you'll also have to preemptively check on your own… Yeah, updates suck. Then again, they were awful on 7 too. About equally as awful on 8 & 8.1, just for different reasons. It'd be nice if it were all linux-style. Just "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" once a week or so, and you're done. As for compatibility, I haven't noticed anything yet. Well, nothing that wasn't a problem with 7/8/8.1/not-XP, at least. Some USB-to-serial cables have been really mean to me, but what else is new?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-05-2016 01:44 PM                     I know the auto updates affected the connectability of a server I have here at home and it has also affected at least one commercial ticketing system. After the updates some of the local services do not automatically restart. Manually restarting them or setting them to delayed start (once you figure out which ones are being affected) fixes it. Mark  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-05-2016 03:38 PM                     I don't know how many in this forum use Daktronics LED signs on marquees, box office windows, auditorium entries, etc. Their Venus 1500 control software will not work under Windows 10. It relies a bunch on 2008 versions of NET Framework and SQL Server. The company is moving towards a cloud/web based application. Even there they have some catch-up work to do. Daktronics' web-based billboard software currently relies on Silverlight, which is a "deprecated" plug-in. Microsoft is not developing it any further, much less even supporting it.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 03-05-2016 05:17 PM                     quote: John Roddy But it does all of that in the background, so it shouldn't affect anything you're doing. Installation of some heavy software may use up a significant amount of resources, but I can't imagine it being noticeable Two actual scenarios: - Laptop was not behaving, I had to reboot it. Windows installed TH2 version, laptop offline for 90 minutes (new but slow laptop) - Working in a hotel with slow broadband. Computer fans speeding up and internet even slower than it should be. In the meantime I try to work. 45 minutes later the fan slows down and the PC asks me if I want to reboot to install upgrades! No, my computer installs upgrades when I tell it so! On Windows 7 you can be just notified - or you can disable them altogether. I do exactly what you suggest, I run Windows update every now and then, at the weekend, when I'm home, plenty of time and fast broadband.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 03-05-2016 05:28 PM                        One things you can do to delay auto updates is set your WiFi connection as a metered connection. Although I have not used it extensively for service issues, I have not yet had any problems using VNC, DCC, Dolby CP750 Utility, or the TI program. The most frustrating issue I've run into with Windows 10 is getting a WiFi network set to a trusted network. If it sets it as a public network, it can be difficult to get it to change to a work or home.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 03-06-2016 02:00 AM                     There were some serious wireless problems with Windows 10. If you're on a network using Enterprise authentication using WPA2, it's still broken in many cases, because they stripped some ciphers from the authentication protocol. The automatic updates in Windows 10 are the foremost reason I'm still not using it on most of my production machines. Getting stuck with a machine that decided to install some hours worth of updates (which sometimes also fail or even get stuck in a reboot loop) at will just isn't acceptable. The most reliable way to disable automatic updates I've found until now is this one: 1. Start regedit (Windows key + R -> type "regedit" -> Run). 2. Go to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU. 3. Create a new "32-bit DWORD" called "AuOptions" and put a value of 2 in "Value Data" and then click "OK". 3. Start the Settings app (Windows key + I). 4. Go to Update and Security -> Windows Updates. Enable the "Check for updates" option. Disclaimer: Editing registry settings is considered "advanced stuff". No warranties and I'm not sure if this sticks forever, but until now it has worked. You can now just manually check for updates and plan for downtime instead of letting Microsoft decide for you. If your computer is part of a domain, the preferred way of doing this is via a GPO setting.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-06-2016 10:14 AM                     Instead of messing with editing the regestry which very few seem capable of, why not go into component services and just stop the service? Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-06-2016 10:35 AM                     Because services can start up on the next boot cycle. Changing the registry kills the problem for good or until that registry is altered to undo what was done. It is possible to create a txt file with the registry modifications but save it with a ".reg" extension and merely double-clicking that file will do the registry modification. I did that for the stupid Win10 nagger (that is, how I modded all of mine...I didn't actually write the script since I'm not that into Windows registries). On all such computers that have had the Win10 nagger (GWX)...none have reported ever seeing it again.  |  IP: Logged

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