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Carsten Kurz
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http://www.barco.com/en/Products-Solutions/Projectors/Digital-cinema-projectors/Compa ct-DLP-Barco-Alchemy-Cinema-projector-for-screens-up-to-75m-24ft-wide.aspx

Twin 465W UHP lamps and Alchemy IMS. Also seems to be a very light and quiet machine. Maybe a better buy now than NECs NC900C.

Wow, seems Barco suddenly lost their disgust for UHP lamps. As long as only their competitors used them, they were never good enough for digital cinema.

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Marco Giustini
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I look forward to that. I'd be nice to have the usual Barco features on a UHP machine. Hopefully they have found a way to make the light level and colours stable over time?

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Dave Macaulay
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The only downside is 200-250VAC. The NEC can plug in to a normal outlet I think?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I actually prefer a projector run on 220 volts, so that isn't really detrimental. The NEC can run on 120 or 220 and I have them set up both ways. 120 volts at full lamp power the thing draws a little over ten amps. ON 220 volts it's 5.8 amnps. I normally use a 220 volt UPS which gives a longer run time because the equipment is drawing half the power.

The real down side to this Barco is you are stuck with the Barco IMS. I guess they had to come up with a way to sell those!

quote: Marco Giustini
Hopefully they have found a way to make the light level and colours stable over time?
I haven't seen any big issues with the NEC's in that regard. They actually hold the light level amazingly well. As for color space... on all these projectors you are changing out the reflector, so that spec is going to vary. I recently had a University that wanted an NC-900 and I told them to also buy a color space meter as well. Also, the lamp failure issue is fixed and there are no more of the original style lamp in anyone's stock.

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Marco Giustini
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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
They actually hold the light level amazingly well
I disagree. Massively.
There is no 'feedback' on the 900 and the light level drops noticeably after a while - as expected. Colours are very stable though.

Also, what is a "colour space meter"?

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Dave Macaulay
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For rentals it's a big plus to be able to use a 120V supply here.

... Presumably that's a color measuring tool to recalibrate the MCGD after a lamp (and reflector) change. I believe that the USL PCA-100 is a special type designed for xenon light sources and should not be relied on for laser or UHP/HID light sources.

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Andrew Thomas
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Any idea on how it compares price wise to the NEC? I'm in the process of designing my new house and want to have a D-cinema projector in the purpose built cinema wing and my screen will be in the 16-18 foot wide range, so one of these baby projectors would be perfect.

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Marco Giustini
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Interesting, this machine has a rated contrast of 1500:1, the 8S is rated 1850:1.

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Marin Zorica
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Yes, less light and no xenon lamp to light it goves less contrast probably. Also, 4800lumens in DCI mode is not so great for 7m wide screen, even with 1.2 gain as in specs.

But if we sacrifice some light, it would be great entry for art houses where price cutting is on first place, and still to have dci capable machine.

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Carsten Kurz
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I never thought Barco would at this stage (post-rollout) come up with another machine smaller than the 8Sx. That one is already a software-limited version of the 10Sx. That UHP Barco needs to be considerably cheaper than the 8Sx. I expect it to be in the price range of the NEC NC900C. I don't consider the Alchemy IMS a bad option. This is Barcos future flagship IMS and will certainly be a solid solution, they are constantly improving it. By any means, better than the IMS1000.

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Marco Giustini
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Brightness and contrast ratio shouldn't be related. II guess they sacrificed a little contrast for some more light.

Anything is better than the IMS1000.

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Steve Guttag
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Anything? How about the IMB S2?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Dave McCauley,

The NC-900 is filtered before the light engine to approximate a xenon light source. The USL meter works fine for the NC-900, like all projectors you are still shooting for .314/.351, at least I hope you are. Now, if you pull that filter out of the path the USL meter goes out of range. Far as I know all projectors running UHP lamps have the filter in the light path.

How is a 220 volt projector detrimental to rental? You have a special cord that plugs into two 120 volt outlets on two separate circuits. I do that all the time. I just thought I should state the obvious.

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Brad Miller
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quote:
The real down side to this Barco is you are stuck with the Barco IMS. I guess they had to come up with a way to sell those!
I guess it was bound to happen sometime...Mark and I actually agree on something. Being FORCED to use a particular IMS-type-thing on ANY projector is ridiculous. The projector manufacturers need to stick with making projectors and let the server manufacturers stick with making playback devices. All projectors should be able to use any IMS/server of the client's choosing.

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Carsten Kurz
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According to the pictures, the Alchemy is slotted in the Barco, so for now it doesn't look like there is no alternative IMB/IMS for the Barco.

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