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Paul Looker
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Forgive me, I'm new to all of this. I have three surround speakers on each wall. Each one has it's own separate run of wire. How do I wire them all together into one amplifier channel. Is it all positives and all negatives together or is it something else. The most recent setup had left and right surround both wired into one amplifier channel. There are a couple of positives to negatives in what was there. Can anybody walk me through this one. I am not keeping left and right on one channel I am separating them to each their own channel. How should the three speaker wires be spliced together?

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Monte L Fullmer
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With just three surrounds on each side, it's fine to attach them per each side to run parallel.

You would tie all the positives together and with the negatives together, each polarity under a wire nut with a single wire in the loom for an easy connect to amplifier.

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Paul Looker
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I love you film tech forum. It's like old school dominos pizza. 30 minutes or less. Thank you.

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Kenneth Wuepper
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You might find this information useful.

http://www.bcae1.com/spkrmlti.htm

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Scott Norwood
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Depending on the speakers and amp in question, wiring them all in parallel may be fine or may fry the amplifier. Give us the model numbers of everything and someone will tell you if it will work.

Basically, you need to figure out the minimum output impedance of your amplifier and ensure that the load that you give it is at least that number. As an example, three 8-ohm speakers in parallel will look like a 2.6-ohm load to the amplifier. Not every amplifier will drive a 2.6-ohm load without heating up or failing completely.

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Brad Miller
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Heed Scott's advice there. You should post the make/model of your amplifier you intend on using.

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Phil Ranucci
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You might want to pull wire from each speaker back to the booth and do your series/parallel wiring there and not at each speaker. It'll make troubleshooting easier.

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Steve Kraus
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He already has this.

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Monte L Fullmer
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If he did series parallel wiring with three, 8ohm speakers - taking two speakers in parallel would give him 4 ohms, but adding the third in series gets him up to 12 ohms and his amplifier has an unswitchable 8 ohm output.

What would be best for him and be safe at it?

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Jarod Reddig
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Try out the 12 ohm series parallel route at your own risk if any as Id assume an amp that can operate safely at 8 ohms would be safe at 12 ohms. Or look for a cheap used 2 channel 2 ohm stable amp and go parllel with each set of 3. Left 3 surrounds in one channel and right surrounds in the other.

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Ken Lackner
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I agree with Jarod's suggestion of finding (if you don't already have) a 2-ohm per channel amplifier and wiring each group of 3 in parallel so that the power is evenly distributed among the 3 speakers.

I also agree with Scott's suggestion to give us the model numbers of your equipment, and I agree with Brad's agreeing with Scott.

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Gordon McLeod
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Most amps have no problem with a higher output impedence unless it is a transformer coupled output
to low of impedance and the amp will be delivering more current than possibly the transformer and or output stage can deliver

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Paul Looker
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I'm working with a QSC model 1700. It has two channels. I want three speakers on each channel.

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Dennis Benjamin
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quote: Ken Lackner
I also agree with Scott's suggestion to give us the model numbers of your equipment, and I agree with Brad's agreeing with Scott.
I agree with Ken's agreeing with Brad's agreeing with Scott.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Paul Looker
I'm working with a QSC model 1700
That's when you look on at the back of the amplifier and look where the speaker connection terminals are located. In this area, it should display what resistance of speaker can be used in ohms.

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