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Author Topic: Christies 2k/4k upgradable DLP machines... Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-27-2009 06:15 PM                     2k/4k options, up to 31 kLumen, 0,98" and 1.2" versions, 4k is 1.38". Only 1.2" models upgradable to 4k. FullFormat 2k tripleflash. Optional Integrated MediaBlock, motorized lamp and lens adjustment... http://www.christiedigital.com/AMEN/Products/ChristieSolariaSeries.htm - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 10-29-2009 08:42 AM                     Any word on when the 2k versions will be available for sale? Also, how is the pricing relative to the current generation 2k pricing? Any word on when the server vendors will have media blocks available to work with these? I would hope that if you are buying a 4k upgradeable projector that you'd be able to have a 2k/4k media block from the get go so that the only upgrade cost would be the light engine. I'm also surprised that the 1.2" models are so easily upgradable to 4k since we have now learned that the 4k DLP chips are 1.38". How much of the optical path can be reused when the imagers are 15% bigger? The 4k should definitely be brighter. I hope they do a non-flash 3D system with them like Sony. If they designed a non-flash version that used the entire chip somehow (either using anamorphics or splitting the chip into quarters and using 2 quarters for each eye), they might be able to get 8 - 10 fl on 3D.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-29-2009 11:04 AM                     Christie Germany told me 2k from next march, 4k in 2011 - probably 4k machines as well als 4k upgrades. no pricing yet, also no details yet about the IMB. 'Jan 2010 Solaria 2220 (2k, ZX successor, 4k upgradable ) March 2010 Solaria 2230 ( SB/XB successor, 4k upgradable ) April 2010 Solaria 2210 ( M successor ,not upgradable )' According to Christie, 'not just the imagers, but the whole lightengine is replaced with the upgrade, which can be done on site and lasts no longer than 10min.' Lens I haven't heard anything about. I would think they are constructed to deal with both imager sizes, and if you choose the zoom factor carefully for the 2k, it may be used with 1.2" and 1.38" on the same screen size. However, maybe smaller shift range after the upgrade. I'm sure Christie will comment on these upgrade aspects in time so you can choose the proper upgradable system. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-29-2009 11:56 AM                     10 minutes, eh? Dolby's DSS200 server has a 4k media block in it. Doremi also has a 4k media block option.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-29-2009 12:07 PM                     They don't mention though the time need to realing everything  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-29-2009 12:59 PM                     Probably he was really only telling about the LightEngine swap, not to complete a full upgrade ;-) But who cares anyway as long as that can happen on-site. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-29-2009 04:22 PM                     I believe you'll see all the manufacturers od DLP cinema gear going towards a convertable system. Christie will be forst because it's in theor contract with T.I. they they get to be first at any new stuff released by T.I. Mark  |  IP: Logged Todd McCracken Master Film Handler Posts: 263 From: Northridge, CA, USA Registered: Mar 2008 posted 11-09-2009 10:42 AM                    Heheh, Mark it seems you have an I/O error.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-09-2009 01:04 PM                     Mark Barco also is bringing generation 2 projectors early 2010 and there are words it might even be out in January! Barco will be using Doremi media block I think. Any idea what Christie or Nec will be using?  |  IP: Logged Pietro Clarici Expert Film Handler Posts: 136 From: Foligno (PG) Italy Registered: Sep 2008 posted 11-09-2009 03:00 PM                        NEC will be selling its own proprietary IMB as an option. I don't know yet if the new projectors will be able to accomodate third party IMBs, but I doubt that. They will be pushing their own system, which makes sense: a single control point and a single interface...  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-09-2009 08:41 PM                     The idea behind the media block thing is to standardize! I believe the USL media block shown at ShowEast fits and should work with Christie and Barcos and should work with NEC. Steve  |  IP: Logged Pietro Clarici Expert Film Handler Posts: 136 From: Foligno (PG) Italy Registered: Sep 2008 posted 11-10-2009 08:10 AM                        As an exhibitor, I'd like that: and I'm sure that third-party IMB will work with all projectors just like current servers do. They'll just have a different form factor and connection. But when it comes to *total* integration (same UI for both player and projector, transport controls on the side of the new NECs, for example), I think that will be possibile only with one selected IMB... in particular if the same manifacturer can make *both* projectors and IMBs. Again, I'd rather be wrong on that, 100% cross-compatibility for *all* functions would be helpful... but from a commercial standpoint, forcing exhibitors to choose one particular IMB it's perfectly logical.  |  IP: Logged James B Gardiner Film Handler Posts: 91 From: North Altona, Victoria, Ausrtalia Registered: Feb 2009 posted 11-18-2009 05:32 AM                     Part of the TI S2 development is the creation of modular blocks that can be placed within the FIPS media block. They are suppose to be standard so any 4K media block "should" work in any TI projector. 4K has really created the NEED to integrate the media block into the FIPS part of the projector as there is no easy and secure way to move a 4K signal from a DCI player external of the projector to the internal FIBS part of the projector. Much easier to put it IN the FIPS part of the projector. The only real issue here is that the secure media block is really the CORE of a SMS. If it came with a projector (Which ultimatly I feel it should) and the interface to the media block was an open standard (Which currently it is not) we would be in a much better position. I need to spend some time reading over the tech pages I have on this, but this is my initial indication of how it all works. Interesting to not, the S2 come with quite a few SLOTS that media blocks can drop into. So you can have the backwards compatible CINELINK2-2K block, typical YUV/RGB/dedicated-HDSDI on top of what a S1 projector has. In theary anyway. S2 looks to be a much better design, but then again you would hope so, they had plenty of time to do S2. Not knocking S1, for a V1, it is extremely good. Just a little V1-ish James  |  IP: Logged

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