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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Good news! One will be able to see Attack Of The Clones on the 93 foot wide Villa Theatre Cinerama screen here in Salt Lake City. If the digital process is good or bad it will be quite evedent there. I would suspect that it is without a doubt the largest screen that it will be running on in the world. So if you're in SLC be sure to check it out. Those Lucasfilm(or Lucaspixel in this case) Tapster Techncians may want to pay a visit to the Villa and be sure it is up to snuff for this job. This ought to make any Direct Digital presentation look like kindergarten stuff by comparison!
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Joe Redifer
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Hell the film version would look horrible even if it were 70mm simply because George videotaped the movie. You should see some pixels. After Attack of da Clonez you should play a movie that was shot on film in the same auditorium.

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93 feet? Are you sure they are going to use the whole screen? I seem to recall quite awhile back that TI was contemplating using Brad's theatre as a DLP demo installation and when they found out that his screen width was 80ft, They chuckled and declined (Brad, how's my memory on this one? Correct me if I am thinking about something else.) If they ARE actually going to project the full 93ft width, then yes, this certainly will be something to see.

But as they say, size isn't everything. In Times Square they have an LED video display that is the size of a 10 story building. Yeah, the picture is big....even bright, but so out-of-focus that they pretty much stopped using images and only display text, and even that looks like you want to turn a focusing knob someplace.

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I think you are thinking of something else, although if TI ever checked the place out there is no way they would even attempt it.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Yea, If the movie is in scope it will fill the 93 foot portion of the screen. I ought to be able to count exactly how many pixels there are as they should be in the several square inch size projected that big.
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At ShowEast 2000, I recall they announced the biggest screen equipped with DLP-Cinema was the one in Mexico City, but still less than 60 feet wide.

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I'm a little confused. Are you saying the Villa will be actually projecting in DLP? The one time I saw a SCOPE DLP showing was at the El Capitan, and it was quite a bit masked down from the normal SCOPE projection at that theatre. I would think that at this point DLP wouldnt have the lenses to show on such a deep curved screen such as the Villa has (doesn't their screen follow a normal "Cinerama" type arc, even though it is currently a standard matte screen?)

I interpreted the original post as saying the magnification from a standard 35mm print to the 93 foot screen would show how pixelated the image origination is.

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The D-11 digital video recording format (used in the Sony HDCAM digital camera) has a capability of only 1440 horizontal pixels luminance, and 480 pixels of chroma (Standard SMPTE 367M), even though the camera has 1920 horizontal pixels.
http://www.dps.com/pdfs/dps_white_papers/High_Definition_Video_1-0.pdf
http://videoexpert.home.att.net/artic3/262hdvr.htm
http://www.smpte.org/smpte_store/standards/pdf/s368m.pdf
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/story/fact.shtml
http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/students/filmtech/35hd24p.shtml

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No, The Villa is getting it on film. That will probably look worse than its straight digital counterpart though. Does anyone out there know if it was shot in scope or flat? Not that either would look alot better than the other but I'm just curious.
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It is a scope video.

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Did they shoot it with an anamorphic lens? I have heard that they did not and they are just cropping it to scope, but that is just a rumor. Anyone have any concrete information on this? Even if they stretched it out anamorpically the resolution is still very much compromised, so it kind of is a lose/lose scenario.


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Panavision could never fashion together anamorphic lenses that would work with the CCDs in the Sony HD camera properly. What you will see for "Episode II" is cropped from spherical photography.

Lucas should have shot the thing in 70mm, but what do I know?

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Mark,

What type of 35mm projectors and lamphouses does the Villa use to light 93 feet of screen?

This is the largest indoor conventional cinema screen I have heard of. I can understand it being lit effectivly with 3-strip or even the larger aperture of 70, but what are the results like in 35?


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ILM is using a set of proprietary filters designed to remove the pixellation problem with the video shoot. The process is similar to the process used to animate the inbetween frames during the bullet camera work on "the matrix".

The closest way to explain it is that they will sort of animate the pixels out. Whether or not the process will actually work remains to be seen. But ILM has come up with some pretty amazing things to cover up bigger mistakes than Georgy filming star wars on video.

Now all I have to do is see it without paying and It might turn out pretty good.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Its hard to believe that Panavision could not design a proper Anamorphic for the Sony camea....Gee, they really are the ones that perfected anamorphic cinematography. Perhaps they were just not interested in sinking the dough into it....electronic equipment is so quickly obsoleted these days, and they are really a film based company anyway.

The Villa has a DP-70 and a 7kw Christie lamphouse. The screen is relatively new there, but is a solid sheet. The picture quality is better than you'd expect for such a large screen. Yes, it is the largest one left in the world since the Omaha site was demolished. Go to www.villatheatre.com to see alot more on it.
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