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John Wilson
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From Showbizdata.com ...

>>DIGITALLY PRODUCED MOVIE TO BE SHOWN IN DIGITAL HOUSES

Columbia Pictures said on Monday that it will release Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within in seven "digital cinemas" Wednesday, where Texas Instruments DLP digital projectors will run the movie from in-theater servers. In a statement, Bill Hausch, who carries the long title of senior vice president, Strategic Technologies, Digital Studios Division for Sony Pictures Entertainment, commented: "The sensation you get with digital cinema is a picture without a flicker, scratches, dirt or focus flutter. We're providing the moviegoing patron a glimpse of the future of theatrical exhibition." Digital theaters showing the film include AMC Empire, New York City; Edwards Irvine Spectrum, Irvine, Calif.; AMC Media 6, Burbank, Calif.; Cinemark Legacy, Dallas; Famous Players Paramount, Toronto; AMC Barrington, Chicago; and the AMC Van Ness, San Francisco. Final Fantasy incorporates human-looking stars that are completely computer generated.<<

But I'm already projecting images free of flicker, scratches, dirt or focus flutter. It's called a combination of a correctly aligned lamp, FilmGuard and decent lenses. And what's more it cost me a hellava lot less that what Texas Instruments are offering.

Take note film companies...the future has already been met by technology currently available...it's called 35mm film and a caring PROJECTIONIST!


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Joe Redifer
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John, I'm afraid that you are confused. You see, digital projection is the best thing to happen. Ever. To anything. Digital makes anything better. Sound. Movies. Projection. The air you breathe. Just because it is digital GUARANTEES that it is the best you can possibly get. Ever. Did you know that Bob Maar was digital?

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Bob Maar
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Not "was"......is

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Darryl Spicer
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This is the best post you will ever see....

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Tao Yue
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Darryl, your digital post messed up the table formatting in UBB. You now have to scroll horizontally to see the other messages in their entirety. (Thanks for fixing it.)

Oh, one more thing -- is that a completely random string of numbers, or do they generate some kind of ASCII message?


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John Walsh
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It's secret. It's says: "Digital is no better than film if it's not maintained." Only, in keeping with older technology, it's in BAUDOT.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Why of course....Now I get it. Digital is the greatest thing to ever happen to the world......of course my R-2 is all digital as well. Thats cool...I never stopped to think about that.
MArk @ GTS

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Bruce McGee
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I really look forward to the introduction of Digital consession snacks, and digital colas.

Brad will probably introduce DIGIGUARD® shortly to elminate the dead pixels on your projector.

I am amazed that I lived this long without digital in my life.

Now that I know that Bob Maar is digital, I await the Neumade Digital 35mm splicer so that there will be no evidence that the splice just went through my measly analog Holmes 8.

Seriously, I am sick of hearing how good for me digital anything is. It all seemed to start when CD's came along. I was not impressed then, either.


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Stefan Scholz
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Recently seeing "Atlantis" in Amsterdam's Cinema Expo convention in TI "PIXLEVISION" I am fully convinced: The best to happen soon.
Pixely borders, subtitles as big and in full pixel beauty, same size as if I'm using subtitles on my DVD PCscreen. Big enough to let deaf dumb and even blind people follow the movie. ..
Another presentation from Boeing D-Cinema using the same crap projection setup let a collegue's comment: I did not know, that we soon have to sell motion discomfort bags instead of tickets.
Maybe we were too close to the 50 ft screen, sitting 45 ft apart.
Sorry, honestly DLP is yesterday's technology... real quality is yet to come, and will be there in a couple of years.
I have also seen excerpts from Final Fantasy in FILM in November 00. It looked gorgeous on a 50 ft screen, sharp and fine grain. The digital shows I attended were conducted on a Sony Data XGA data display type of projector, and they just had one lens, which did not fit the screen.It looked oK,but film was brighter and sharper.
It is too early to talk digital now.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Indeed Stefan you are definately right. ILP technology has already made DLP technology obsolete. ILP looks so much better and the pixels are far less noticable than with DLP systems. I can only laugh that companies like Christie jumped on the "Digital Bandwagon" as fast as they did. They really only stand to take nothing but loses on it.
Mark @ GTS

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Joe Redifer
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Anyone with an R2 is a God, even if you have no talent or skill whatsoever!

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John Pytlak
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Mark said: "ILP technology has already made DLP technology obsolete. ILP looks so much better and the pixels are far less noticable than with DLP systems."

Did you mean D-ILA technology?

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Matt Rockwell
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OK, so we stack digital projection up to 35mm release prints for comparison. For me to be convinced, I'd want to see any of them against a nice 70mm true technicolor print with a mag dolby soundtrack. Maybe for grins we'll run that print on carbon arc projectors.

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Aaron Sisemore
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>>I'd want to see any of them against a nice 70mm true technicolor print with a mag dolby soundtrack.<<

70mm IB Tech prints have never been made. I am not sure of the cost-effectiveness of tooling up an IB printing rig for 5/70 but im sure its way too expensive.

70mm Eastman Vision prints from a 65mm negative would suffice for me. DTS soundtrack is fine as well.

John Pytlak agreed with me a couple years ago at the rigged [in DLP's favor of course] side-by-side DLP-vs-film comparison at ShoWest, that DLP doesnt stand a snowball's chance in hell of matching a 70mm print from 65mm negative.

Vive Le FILM!!! (Especially in 5/70mm!!)

Aaron


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William Hooper
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Remember, the "bean counters" are looking at things other than image quality.

Even with a more expensive booth, they're being seduced by the *idea* of film-less delivery & automation eliminating company-wide projectionist/usher-B positions is probably being considered in terms of annual salaries, liability insurance, workers' comp insurance, & health insurance cost. The "analog units" being targeted are not neccessarily the projectors, but the operators.


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