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Peter Hall
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Does anyone have details of the technology to be used ?

"Avica Europe, the European arm of digital cinema technology and services leader, Avica; has announced that the first of its countrywide digital cinema networks is now underway in Ireland. This marks the first step in Ireland’s groundbreaking nationwide conversion of its cinema screens to digital format.

Through its subsidiary Digital Cinema Limited (Ireland), Avica will enable projection of all forms of content to every screen in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.


Kevin Anderson of the country’s largest cinema chain, Ward Anderson, noted that “DCL offered us the only solution that both supports Hollywood standards for digital cinema while providing an economically attractive option for independent distributors and exhibitors.”

Nicholas Clay, Chairman and CEO of Avica said “We are proud to be able to bring the benefits of digital cinema to theatre-goers throughout Ireland, and thrilled to provide the technology which will enable the country to be the first in the world to make this move into the future of cinema.”

Clay noted that the conversion to digital will have no effect upon existing business arrangements between exhibitors and distributors, while delivering the inherent advantages of digital presentation systems, such as enhanced security, aesthetic improvements and easier management.

Avica’s European distribution infrastructure will deliver these benefits to the more than 500 Irish screens included in this first national network. Although focused initially on Ireland, several other European nations are expected to follow suit.
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Pete Naples
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It's a mixture of equipment, I've heard Barco and DLP mentioned. I've just completed a 9 screen install over there, with Avica involved. It's an intersting project, however I'm yet to be convinced on the commercial viability.

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Brian Guckian
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Don't believe the hype!

When you've a single, unchallenged player in any market, they're free to make all kinds of assertions, and you have to admire their bravado.

However whether they will achieve their ambitions must be a case of "wait and see" at this point.

I've put forward some views on the implementation of D-Cinema here on the forum several times so I won't repeat them. [Frown]

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Matthew Ballantine-Patton
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At our theater, we work with a DLP running Avica software. The software runs on a plain old Dell, with Windows NT operating system. Features are delivered via USB drive, and uploaded to the CPU. I've seen worse systems, but we have lost a few shows due to computer crashes. We also had a period where the program would freeze 25 minutes into the feature every show. Sure, the 1000th show has no more dirt/scratches than the 1st show, but when you walk up to an Avica you can't *see* the problem, like you can with 35mm. Plus, only a small percentage of feautures are released in this format. I can't see how rolling out digital systems for an entire market does anything but create new problems. New problems which the operators are not so well trained in troubleshooting. Avica is making some pretty wild claims. Here's the article from PC World: Ireland Putting Digital Films in Every Cinema

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John Pytlak
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Kodak's Digital Cinema System is built on a LINUX Platform:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/digital/cinemaSolutions.jhtml

quote:
NETWORK-BASED SOLUTION BUILT ON LINUX PLATFORM WITH ALL SYSTEMS AND SERVICES:
Fully compliant with today's — and will be compliant with tomorrow's — evolving interoperability standards of DCI and SMPTE
Supporting a choice of projectors — up to 2K resolution today, with upgrade to 4K tomorrow
Driven by unique KODAK Software and supported by KODAK Service worldwide
NETWORK INTERFACES WITH:
Variety of in-cinema ticketing systems for presentation scheduling
Range of theatre "legacy" and other automation systems for fully coordinated customer presentation
Up to 30 screens in multiplex
WIDE-AREA NETWORK AND IN-CINEMA ETHERNET NETWORK HANDLE:
All scheduling information
Remote monitoring and diagnostics
Audit and verification reports
Distribution and staging of pre-show content
Automatic and efficient movement of content throughout cinema
Security management for feature presentations


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Per Hauberg
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¨"...but deliver us from evil ! "

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote:
Kodak's Digital Cinema System is built on a LINUX Platform:

The DTS XD-10 is also Linux based.

Mark

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Steve Guttag
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Dolby's new DCinema server is also Linux based. Also, their system only has those components necessary for running the system, no extra fluff to get corrupted or to slow down the works.

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Brian Guckian
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From The Irish Times 25th March;

End is nigh for film in Irish cinemas

Reel News


quote:
Most analysts agree that digital projection systems will eventually take over from the gorgeously archaic 19th century technology (cans, reels, sprockets) currently operating in our cinemas. But the changeover has hitherto been hampered by a knotty economic quandary: whereas abandoning celluloid will eventually save money for the distributors, the cost of installing new equipment falls to the exhibitors.
Avica Europe, the Thurles-based wing of one of the world's foremost digital cinema technology manufacturers, announced last week that it was proceeding with a scheme to install the new projectors in 105 sites throughout Ireland. The trick? "The theatre owners are not paying a penny for the equipment", a spokesman for Digital Cinema Ireland, an Avica subsidiary, told Reel News. "Their only expense involves instaling a digital porthole. The equipment they get on a custodial basis". A more extensive feature on this issue will appear shortly.

Per Hauberg - this article appeared on Good Friday!

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Pete Naples
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Well I'm on the Emerald Isle again.

Not a DLP in sight.......

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote:
Their only expense involves instaling a digital porthole.
Ok, So whats a Digital Porthole? Is this some new Kelmar thing... Goldberg [thumbsdown] would NEVER be able to make a reliable "Digital Porthole", it would constantly be re-booting itself.

Mark

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Joseph L. Kleiman
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I'm assuming a digital porthole is a second porthole for a digital projector. From what I understand, the digital systems will not be replacing 35mm outright (until 35mm is, hmph, obsolete), but are supposed to be installed in every booth next to the 35mm system.

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John Pytlak
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How many Digital Cinema theatres still have a 35mm print running next to the digital projector "just in case"? I assume reliability has gotten much better than the early days of "digital hiccups" and other problems. [Confused]

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Joseph L. Kleiman
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It's not a matter of reliability, but rather product availabilty.

Practically every digital cinema projector installed in the States has a 35mm next to it. These tend to be the larger auditoriums.

Let's say Auditorium A has a wonderful Barco D-Cine Permiere DP100 running off of a Kodak Digital Cinema server (just like what they showed From Dust to Glory on at ShoWest). Audtorium B has a 35mm projector, as does Auditorium A, right next to that wonderful Barco/Kodak digital thingy. Flightplan comes out Sept. 23 in digital and is shown in auditorium 1. Two weeks later, Two for the Money comes out and the exhibitor wants to show it in the larger Auditorium A. Problem is it's not digital. So Flightplan is moved to the smaller Auditorium B and shown in 35mm and Two for the Money is shown in 35mm in Auditorium A. This is why DLP releases in the states tend to run for only one or two weeks and are sporadic.

In the case of Ireland, until all films are released digitally, it makes sense to have a 35mm projector handy in each booth to show movies only being released on film.

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John Pytlak
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I understand the need to have both systems for each screen in case digital product is not available. But early on, many actually ran the film print a few minutes behind the digital "print", so they could switch over if they had a failure. Saw it happen myself a few years ago at the AMC Empire 25 in NYC with "Ice Age" and the "Digital Hiccup" incident reported here.

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