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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Talked to a person at Technicolor today and they said they will be printing at least multiple copies of this feature in 70mm very soon. They are even getting a batch of new 70mm shipping reels made at Goldberg for the release. I put in my vote for all 70mm DTS prints.
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John Pytlak
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Are these 5-perf 70mm prints? There are already plans for 8-perf 70mm and 15-perf 70mm prints. Maybe your contact was thinking of these?

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Oh Goodie... another Special Edition of an old film.

As I understand it, there will be 6 minutes of "new footage" and it's an IMAX exclusive for the first couple months. Then everybody else gets it, maybe. The added footage thing seems to be a first for Disney on a re-release.

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Yes, that was what I was thinking.. we have a poster in some of our lobbies (or is it lobbys!?) for IMAX Beauty And The Beast.

Was Beauty And The Beast done all digitally, ie: could they "re-render" it to get better picture quality? I worry about quality from just printing a 15/70 print, even from a good 35mm negative.

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Instead of re-releasing old hash in 70mm (and it's IMAX and 8-perf "fake IMAX" cousins), they instead should release NEW movies in 70mm. I know I know, I am waaaaay out of my league here, since 35mm is good enough (hell, DVD is good enough), but really, there hasn't been a new 70mm release for a very long time. While they're at it, they should shoot on 65mm to make it even more worth it. Another good thing is that there wouldn't be all of the soda, car and other commercials spliced on the front of the print. And while I'm at it, I want feature length fictional movie (no cartoons)! Not just 50 minute documentary fluff that will fit on an IMAX platter.

Beauty and the Beast was traditional Disney animation. It can't be re-rendered. You are just supposed to be in absolute awe that it is now on IMAX. Are you?


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I agree with Joe, we really do need actual movies produced in 65mm with 70mm prints struck. As far as I'm concerned, a release like Far and Away should have been released to 70mm equipped theaters for the first 2 months and then all of the run-of-the-mill 35mm theaters should be able to get it. If producers really wanted quality presentations of their movies, then this would provide that assurance.

And of course, John Leguizamo should be in all future 70mm films. Right Joe?

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It's not even worth making a movie if John Leguizamo isn't somehow involved.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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They called us looking for 70mm shipping reels. I was out of town when the original call came in last week...I was camping out near the Christie Plant in Cyprus,CA at the time. I called them back today to fulfill a note that was left on my desk asking me to call back. I was then told that they are striking a number of 70mm prints for release. They didn't know what format it was but they wanted larger than normal 70mm reels. They were looking for 24, or 26" reels where the normal is 22". Goldberg is making a new batch of them. I was told that HFC(the normal supplier of 70mm shipping reels) cannot supply them in that size, only in 22"
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Mark Lensenmayer
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Brad Miller said: "As far as I'm concerned, a release like Far and Away should have been released to 70mm equipped theaters for the first 2 months and then all of the run-of-the-mill 35mm theaters should be able to get it."

I know that ALIEN opened in 70mm exclusively, and also, I believe, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. I'm not sure about THE ROSE, but that may also have opened in 70mm theatres THEN later in 35.

Ah, the good old days.

BATB might be the longest 15/70 feature yet. IMDB lists it at 84 minutes, and they are adding a song back to the film (Human Again, I believe), so it should run longer than that. FANTASIA 2000 lists at 72, and STONES AT THE MAX lists at 89.

I'm looking forward to it on the Giant Screen. Gaston will look marvelous 80' wide!

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John Walsh asked: "Was Beauty And The Beast done all digitally, ie: could they "re-render" it to get better picture quality? I worry about quality from just printing a 15/70 print, even from a good 35mm negative."

AFAIK, although "Beauty and the Beast" was mostly traditional animation with a few computer generated animation sequences, the "ink and paint" was done digitally, so hopefully the original image files will be re-rendered and output to 65mm negative at the higher resolution needed for 15-perf 70mm release. In other words, it WON'T just be a blow-up from the 35mm negative.

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The most notable computer sequence is the sweeping camera move during the ballroom dancing scene. This has been used in a number of computer animation demos. The ballroom was computer animated, and the couple was done traditionally.

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I just hopped to the Disney web page. No details on where the picture will be playing yet. It is listed as being a SPECIAL EDITION for IMAX and Large Screen theatres.

As for the state of the picture itself, here is a quote from Disney:


Disney's animators and post-production crew spent more than a year going through the film, scene-by-scene, enhancing backgrounds, improving special effects, and refining character faces and bodies to shine brightly on the giant screen. In addition, to ensure that the "Human Again" sequence would fit in seamlessly with the surrounding film, Disney artists who originally worked on Beauty and the Beast returned to bring the enchanted characters to life. At the same time, producer Don Hahn worked to ensure that the Giant-Screen version of "Beauty and the Beast" would be crystal clear and not simply a grainy blow-up; because all of the images from "Beauty and the Beast" were stored digitally, the colors of the film will appear more lustrous, more vibrant, and more brilliant on the Giant Screen than ever before. This attention to detail will provide audiences with a motion picture experience second-to-none when this all-new version of "Beauty and the Beast" debuts on January 1, 2002.


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While I would admire an effort to release films like Alien and The Empire Strikes Back in exclusive 70mm runs for the first little while, the difference between those films and Far and Away is that the latter was actually shot on 65mm negatives. That is the key which I had hoped audiences would embrace and, therefor, the bottom-line people in Hollywood would embrace. Oh, well.

I never got a chance to see Fantasia 2000 in IMAX (didn't want to drive 500 miles for it) but I like the idea of Disney doing a digital master which, presumably, can be printed to both 35mm and IMAX with adequate resolution. However, I don't like the idea that Hollywood's interest in 70mm is only concerned with special venue projects.

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I agree with Brad that it would help to run good shows for some time exclusively in 70 mm equipped theatres. Our Savoy theatre lived on that in the good old days, but now everybody who seems to request a 35 mm first run print is served regardless of projection and sound quality, size etc. Just 2 weeks, and thats the halv life of an average show in Germany. Sad. Good, highest quality first run may help to build up a rep for ashow. But talking theatre as just an advertising market for DVD, cable and rental... it will be hard.

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Here's the Beauty and the Beast website where you can find out where it's going to play.

Don't forget about The Lion King in Imax theaters January 2003 and they're doing something with The Black Stallion soon, too. And Dreamworks is re-purposing Shrek in Imax 3D, which will be the first feature-length 3D for Imax.

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