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Frank Angel
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Watched this on an LG OLED 3D with an LG BluRay player - passive RealD 3D circular polarization glasses. This system has always given me excellent visuals in both 2D and 3D with better blacks than in any commercial theatre and certainly better 3D than any of the RealD (RealDim) 3D commercial houses in Brooklyn. Even IMAX, which is my go-to place to see any 3D film when I feel the need to go to a commercial cinema to sit among the texting, chattering, great unwashed, doesn't give as good blacks as my home setup. That said, there was something going on with this BR that is wrong and that I had never seen before on this system - in other words, I am pretty convinced it's not the system.

I have yet to look at the 2D disc to see it is particular to the 3D version and then I need to play it on the JVC D-ILIA projector system to see if it happens when projected, but for now all I can report is that the 3D BluRay looks like it has a bug. The image is fine as along as there is no horizontal movement. As soon as the camera pans, everything has this disconcerting strobe effect and it's subtle, but it is there and in 3D it made me crazy. It didn't seem to bother my friends, but they did see what I was complaining about. This definitely looks like a problem with the way the disc was authored or something with the original film, but whatever, to me it look like a fault. If anyone else has the 3D BluRay, I would like to know if you see what I am talking about.

As for the film itself, let me preface this by saying I didn't get to see this commercially in IMAX (my go-to cinema if I want to see a 3D movie -- I simply won't go to a RealDim 3D cinema anywhere in my area because their 3D presentation is so below par) so the BluRay is my first viewing of the film and while aside from the strange anomaly mentioned above, I found it watchable, but my overall impression was, "Why bother with this unnecessary remake?" I was under-impressed....big time. It was practically a scene-for-scene duplication of the original but with less emotional content and I didn't like it nearly as much. I ran the 1991 version for a week in 35mm and never tired of it. Just one example of why I prefer the animated version, the transformation from Beast to Handsome Man is much more dramatic in the animated version with the score ascending dramatically and great accompanying visuals. In this new version, it's much too understated for a climax. However what I will give this pluses for is that Disney visual magic in the show scenes, all those dots of swirling light that Disney artists always love to use...glistening points of swirling light I like to call them, it's almost a Disney signature look; there's plenty of that and it look spectacular in 3D.

This new live-animation hybrid lacked the charm of the animated, the feel of it was much darker and ominous due to the dark sets and lighting; too much realism than fantasy for a story-musical that is the essence of fantasy. It mostly didn't work for me.

Funny thing is, Emma Watson is just about as cartoon-ish looking as you can get with a live actress. She barely has more than one expression throughout. I did like the work they did with Beast; facial expressions were spot on...reminds me of the great work done in the current Planet of the Ape movies.

I found the animation of the inanimate objects the worst aspect of this incarnation. The candle stick holder was especially unpleasant; it certainly works better as an animated character. Emma Thompson does a good match to Angela Landsbury's great vocalization of Mrs. Potts and the teapot and cup being the best of these humanized objects, mainly because Mrs. Potts looks more like a cartoon that a real teapot. The Wardrobe chest thing didn't work at all for me -- what part are the eyes, which of all those moving parts is supposed to be the mouth when it's talking?

Then there is what I consider the bizarre choice of going shallow depth-of-field in so many shots where they pull focus and keep either foreground or background out of focus. In this film, it seems to be done randomly and for no aesthetic reason - like the director wanting the viewer to focus on an person or element that is more important that everything else in the frame. Here it seems at odds with even that rationale. In one shot of the the teapot and the cup are in exactly the same plane, one right next to the other on the table top; there's no reason at all for one to be in focus and the other not, but all of a sudden, the cup goes out of focus. Really weird. And there are many shots like this with deliberate shifts in the focal plane in mid-scene. And mind you, I understand when this is done purposely by the director, but there seems to be no rhyme or reason in many of these scenes.

I say, if you don't have the 1991 version on BluRay 3D, get that first. That one I will give a 4/5; this one a 2.5/5 for content and a 1/5 for video quality.

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Mark Ogden
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quote: Frank Angel
"Why bother with this unnecessary remake?"
Worldwide box office (to date): $1,262,454,918.

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Mike Blakesley
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And....very low development costs, since the story/characters are already designed, and easy marketing, since it's a well-known property, and of course the previous successes with Jungle Book, Alice, Maleficent... It was a no brainer.

We watched the animated version a while after we played the new version and I actually found I liked the new version better. That's just me though.

They're doing live remakes of The Lion King and Aladdin -- I'm looking forward to Lion King, but Aladdin might be a bit of a stretch to make it work since they won't have Robin Williams.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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yes Emma's acting does look borderline morphine induced, and it's unfortunate that everyone else seems to be acting rings around her - but man oh man, the 3D bluray as seen on my 4K OLED TV decimated the 3D presentation I saw at the theater- oh there's the color, sharpness and dimensionality. Come on Disney, release this on UHD so I can rehear the Dolby Atmos soundmix.

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Jesse Skeen
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Just got this in the mail, shipped from Brazil since Disney couldn't be bothered to release it in the US. Haven't watched it yet but will watch for that motion problem. 4K UHD is a half-baked format as long as it can't do 3D.

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Frank Angel
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Amen to that Jesse.

I don't know, I watched part of it again just to see if maybe my recollection was off about the video anomaly...maybe I am just getting too crotchety in my dotage, so I skip thru watching here and there now I am thinking, well, I do still see it, but maybe it's not all THAT bad -- you see, that can happen when everyone else around is saying, "you're crazy; their's nothing wrong. Shut up and stop complaining and watch the damn movie." Makes you kinda question your observational powers.

BUT...that said, that really odd focus pulling for no apparent reason is another story altogether -- THAT jumped right out at me again and no question, that is just odd as all get-out.

(In my own house...shut up and watch the movie. Can you believe it?!)

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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I got my copy of the live action BEAUTY & THE BEAST in 3D from Amazon UK and enjoyed it very much. The 3D was excellent and it just amazes me why Disney did not bother to release the movie on blu ray 3D in the United States. I also have the animated version in 3D and that is good too.


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