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Author Topic: What the Hell is with Microsoft Update? Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-15-2016 12:51 PM                     I just loaded a full install of Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on a customers booth computer where the hard drive failed and then activated it just fine. Then I went to let it sit and upgrade................................................. Normally this process takes a couple to three hours to do the 200+ updates. All day yesterday it ran and ran and ran and downloaded a total of seven updates. Then I thought, ok... I'll upgrade it to Windows 10 since all the projector apps run fine under it. Well, the Win 10 upgrade downloaded and it created the install file all in about a half hour but then it went to upgrade the Windows 7 install I just did before it could do the upgrade to 10 and it did exactly the same thing... sat and checked for updates. So I pulled the Win. 10 upgrade back and let it sit overnight and check for Updates. This morning I rebooted the computer and it had installed about a dozen updates. So what gives with Microsoft? And is there any other way available to install all the 200+ updates? Mark  |  IP: Logged Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 04-15-2016 02:15 PM                     I have found that W10 upgrade can hang in the checking for updates mode. Try disabling the Windows Update Service before you do the upgrade. services.msc from the command mode.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schulz Expert Film Handler Posts: 122 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: May 2007 posted 04-15-2016 02:24 PM                     If you have the Windows 10 image, just to a clean install. I learned long ago to never let Microsoft handle OS upgrades and since you're starting from scratch right now anyway, it's much easier and better to just let the Windows 10 installer nuke your hard drive and install it fresh. There is definitely a way to create a Windows 7 image with all of the system and security updates included but it's a pain in the arse to do. In the Windows XP days, the process was called "Slipstream" and there were even apps made that did it all for you. I haven't heard of an app for Windows 7 so you would have to do it all manually.  |  IP: Logged Matt Olson Film Handler Posts: 5 From: Fridley, MN/ USA Registered: Mar 2012 posted 04-15-2016 02:29 PM                  I have had issues in the past when a single update fails it stops other updates from installing and also stopped windows from finding new updates. If you look in the view update history you can see if you had any update's fail. Then you can search for the KBxxxxx file on MS web site download that file and update it.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 04-15-2016 02:43 PM                     I loved doing the Slipstream stuff with XP. You could even customize settings right on the install disc so you didn't have to change things after the install was completed. Not sure if there are still apps like that out there. I've been a Mac user mostly since 2006, and haven't looked back. Persistent updates was one of many many reasons for switching. AJG  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-15-2016 05:10 PM                     I actually am not upgrading to Win 10 on this. It just tried it to see if it was any quicker and it was not. I did another fresh install and just let Windows Update do its thing. At this rate it'll take three weeks. I did a little more research and found a couple recent articles that both say MS is getting slammed with Windows 10 upgrades and their servers are bogged down. All the Windows 7 systems that have to be upgraded before Windows 10 upgradecan be installed is whats causing this to happen. One would think MS would have planned for this... Upgrading a fresh install of Windows 7 used to be a couple hour affair at most, not at this point in time though. If one can load from an image with all the updates already applied you are better off. I'll be making an image of this drive when it finishes updating some time in the next few weeks! And so far no updates have failed. Mark  |  IP: Logged Mike Schulz Expert Film Handler Posts: 122 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: May 2007 posted 04-15-2016 06:29 PM                     Out of curiosity, what will this booth computer be used for? If it is only going to be used to control the projectors and whatnot and the internet is not a necessity then you can probably get away with not even bothering to update Windows if VNC and everything else is already working on it. The security updates are really only necessary if it will be always connected to the internet.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 04-15-2016 07:21 PM                    quote: Mark Gulbrandsen One would think MS would have planned for this... What made you think that? What does this have to do with the afterlife anyway?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-16-2016 02:06 PM                     Its mainly a remote computer, so the security updates are important. They also use it to retrieve their KDM's. So two days later the updating is almost finished. I could have also used Windows updater but the key will only activate so many times in a six month period and I didn't want to lose the ability to just actvate on line. To use updater I would have had to do another fresh install and activate again. Plus I wanted to see how long this is really gonna take. Plan on two days! I hope MS fixes this problem.... Mark  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-17-2016 03:37 PM                        What the hell is this doing in The Afterlife? Did you even read the forum description?  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 04-17-2016 07:06 PM                     Mark - there are tools to download and store all Microsoft updates on a USB Stick, then perform upgrades later from that local media without an internet connection. Depending on the offline-update state, all that is left to do then on the target system is to install the very latest updates online. I always have this stick with me, containing all XP, WIN7, and Office updates. Every now an then, I update it to the most current versions. http://download.wsusoffline.net/ - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-17-2016 10:07 PM                     Doesn't Windows download updates in the background then install the next time the computer is restarted?  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 04-17-2016 10:54 PM                     It depends on how the Windows Update Service is configured, if it's connected to a Windows domain pushing a certain update policy, a local WSUS server, etc. You can also download and install updates in the foreground. At least it worked that way until Windows 7. With Windows 10, they put a semi-self-aware monster in there that's now in charge of updates. Actually, you could even download all the MSI bundles associated with all the updates/KBs and run them by hand if you would. That's the way updates worked on Windows before Microsoft introduced Windows Update and before there were 10 new updates every week.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-18-2016 02:04 AM                     Hmmm... That stinks. I have mine set to download updates in the background then send me a notification when updates are ready. I can accept, decline or delay the install until the next time I restart the computer. I can also disable this feature and do my updates manually if I want. I don't have to configure a server or create any kind of policy or script. I just activate automatic updates and it just works. I don't care what brand of computer or operating system. ALL computers should do it this way.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 04-18-2016 02:58 AM                     I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all solution. In general, I don't like the idea of automatic updates for production machines. You essentially give control over your machine to someone else. The accumulated experience of many years of "automatic updates" is that many updates, unfortunately, break stuff. Sometimes even intentionally... For internet exposed systems, automatic updates are probably a good thing for most environments. It's certainly not perfect, it's actually the less of two evils. Too many machines get infected by malware because of lack of security updates. The risk of the sporadic bad update outweighs the risk of your system becoming hijacked, which is VERY real and seemingly happens to millions of people every day. Then again, you shouldn't go surfing the web or opening up all kinds of ports to your servers and other backend infrastructure. So, you can ask yourself the question why you would even want to install updates if stuff works the way it should? Besides bug fixes and added and required new functionality, the only reason to keep in line with updates on infrastructure on a secure network is to keep in line with your suppliers and to keep your system compatible with future updates. Then again, there is usually no need here to live on the bleeding edge.  |  IP: Logged

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