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Topic: How can there be a copyright issue with a commercial DVD?
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Frank Angel
Film God
Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 01-23-2006 09:15 AM
I never EVER watch movies on a computer monitor, so I had never really tried to play a DVD on my new computer (Win XP Pro) which came with a internal DVD player/burner. But the other day I wanted to check something in CINIMA PARADISO for a post here, so I plopped in the new director's cut version, double-sided DVD CINEMA PARADISO into the computer's DVD drive. A Windows dialog box came up wanting to know what I wanted to do with this disk it just found....play it with Windows Media Player, Real Player, Quick Time Player....etc. I chose Windows Media Player. The the player opened and after a second I got an error message: "Windows Media Player cannot play the DVD because a problem occurred with digital copyright protection." WTF?!! Yeah, I'll say something's wrong with your effin digital copyright protection....it gawdamn effin sucks!
Same thing with Real Player. And QT. Win Media Player showed Disk Unknown in the display window, yet in My Computer knew that CINMEMA PARADISO was the name of the disk in the DVD drive. What is this, Smart operating system, stupid Media Players? What copyright protection is involved in a commercially purchased DVD?
Good friends, this is a bought-and-paid-for commercial DVD right off amazon.com. I paid my money for; I have the sales slip. This means Miramax/Sony took my money and turned around and STOLE MY PROPERTY! How come the chickenshit FBI doesn't investigate THEM as low-life scum thieves that they are for infringing on MY property rights? Huh? Why doesn't the FBI, instead of being the lackies of the MPAA....the studios and record companies own private police, how bout the FBI fighting on MY behalf, how about swathing those Sony CEO's balls with BenGay and letting them BURN like hell until my DVD of CINEMA PARADISO plays in my DVD player? How bout that, you FBI aparatchacks?
These shill bastards had better stop trying to rule the world with their effin copyright security crap that screws honest people who honestly purchase their products. It's enough to make me want to go out and buy nothing but bootleg DVDs, that is if I could find a movie coming out of Hollywood that I would actually want to see, let alone own.
Anyone have any idea what this is all about and why my computer can't play this legitimate DVD? BTW, this DVD plays on all my other regular, stand-alone DVD players, just not on the computer's.
So for all their talk about closing the theatrical/video window so they can make even more billions in video sales (or so they stupidly think in their greedy, beedy twisted little mercenary brains), if this is the kind of problem people can expect trying to use the studios' super protected video products, I say, may the whole damn bunch of them find crumbs in their bed every night and may they be wallowing in their own diarhhea when they wake up in the morning. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
And I say long live the hackers and the bootleggers. ![[beer]](graemlins/beer.gif)
Serves them right that a bootleg KING KONG is already out there on the street for $7 -- that's what they get for trying to screw decent people. ![[fu]](graemlins/fu.gif)
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David Stambaugh
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From: Eugene, Oregon
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 01-23-2006 11:31 AM
I use PowerDVD to play movies on the PC, and I've never had a single instance when a disc wouldn't play. We're talking about a LOT of them too.
Found this on support.microsoft.com:
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C00D1163: A problem occurred with digital copyright protection
A troubleshooter is available to help you solve this problem. To troubleshoot the problem, see the DVD Troubleshooter in Windows Help. In the troubleshooter, click the "I receive a message about digital copy protection" option.
Note
To play DVDs, you must have a DVD-ROM drive and a software or hardware DVD decoder installed on your computer. If you do not have a compatible DVD decoder installed, DVD-related commands, options, and controls do not appear in the Player and you cannot play DVDs. By default, Windows does not include a DVD decoder. For more information about DVD decoders, see the DVD Decoder Plug-ins page at the Microsoft Web site.
Are you sure you have DVD decoder software installed? I bet you don't.
Microsoft Technical Article
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Frank Angel
Film God
Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 01-24-2006 02:25 AM
Thanks guys. I will deal with it now that I know what's going on. But just so as not to loose the rant mood: It seems to me you buy a DVD player, it should play DVDs. I mean, if a computer comes with a DVD player, would I be wildly unreasonable to have an expectation that when I put a DVD in it, it would play the DVD? Silly me; who knew; DVD players in computers don't play most DVDs. And again how silly of me to assume a Window's MEDIA PLAYER would actually be able to play a DVD....which is what if not "media"? chopped liver? Or at the very least, when they sell you a computer with a DVD player, if it won't play this or that DVD, truth in advertising (yah, like there's such a thing) would dictate that the thing should clearly say, in big red letters, this piece of crap won't play Region No. whatever disks and it won't play Macrovision disks and it won't play most anything you put in it unless you go buy some other piece of crap cause we only give you half of the stuff you need to make it work.
I don't know what I am getting so pissed about, as I said, I never watch movies on a computer monitor and anyone who does deserves what he gets. It's just the principle of the thing. Just imagine how upset I'll get when the Blu-Ray thing won;t play the DVD unless I have paid an ISP so they can "activate" it (or deactivate it at will). Like I would EVER buy such a pile of ![[bs]](graemlins/bs.gif)
Also a word of caution of software that requires remote activation. I paid $100 for a program which I purchased directly from the authoring company. It came on a CDrom with a serial number. The opening screen asked for the SN, which was perfectly normal, but then it also required me to register it via the internet. I thought that was a bit pushy....suppose I was not connected to the internet. Ah, no problem, right underneath I am told that I could also register it via telephone and an 800 number. Why they needed me to register it is a mystery because I bought it on line and they had everything, from my credit card to my home address and fone number. But register I must, or the thing terminated. Thing is, when I clicked on the URL -- no go; it was dead. OK, let's go to the phone. Gee, the 800 fone number is disconnected as well. Seems the company had folded, just after I bought their software. So here I am with a $100 piece of useless software that won't run even though I have the CDrom and the serial number.
See what I mean about that big tub of Ben-Gay and a paint brush? Just let me at them.
Oh yah, I'm in a mood.
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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 01-24-2006 02:56 AM
Now Frank, did you set up your DVD rom's properties to accept any region?
Goto "My Computer" *right click* on that icon, then head to "properties"-click-, then to the "hardware" tab -click-, then to "device manager"-click-.
Find the DVDRom,-click- on the DVDRom's description and *right click* on that description and you'll see a bunch of tabs and should find the Rom's region properties and see what that region is set at.
One could change the properties to any region, but the dinkey is that this region can only be set 4 times, then "Ka-Pooie!"- drive is locked up for good. Kinda sucks in this department.
Region "0" discs are playable in any drive at any region. "Cinema Paradiso" coming from Miramax, should be Region 1. I have the Laserdisc version of this movie.
-good luck. thx-Monte
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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 01-25-2006 09:46 AM
OK Steve, if you MUST be the voice of reason, I agree, you shouldn't expect hardware to run without the proper configuration or software....BUT, if you buy a computer, you should have some expectation that everything in it comes with software that is pre-configured, at least in some default mode with some default software that would make it work. You don't expect to have to format and partition the hard drive or have to find software to make the sound card work. All I am saying is that when I tryed to play a DVD for the first time in the computer's DVD player, I shouldn't be told, "Doh! by the way, there is no codec or driver for this device...go get them yourself." And to be fair to my rant, I actually have never gotten a piece of hardware that didn't at least have some rudimentary software (usually "lite," all the while pestering you to buy the "Pro" version, or a version that is already in need of an "upgrade," but at least SOMETHING). What I find so damnable is that none of this stuff is made clear up front. DVDs aren't clearly and conspicously marked whether or not they have Macrovision or what region they are or a caution that they WON'T play in other regions. DVD player/burners, at least the ones in computers, are not clear about what they will or won't play or burn....damn information should be right there on the name plate. Seems that stand-alones have all the software they need to play anything you plop into them, nearly. THEY have the software built in....I guess I figure if they can make a $69 DVD player play DVDs without having to futz with additional software, why are the computer players so uppity? So, ok, yah, maybe I over-reacted a tad....but I just had a birthday, so I can be as pissed as I please.
Oh, and Monte, I did what you said, checked the Properties, and (why am I not surprised) there is no way to set the Region Code to 0. The only choice is to pick a city and it picks the code for you, everything BUT 0. Nazi bastards.
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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!
Posts: 3836
From: Albuquerque, NM
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 01-25-2006 01:10 PM
That's why something like Slysoft's AnyDVD is great - install it and you can set any region you like as many times as you like. It also decrypts and disables CSS and Macrovision, allowing you to make backup copies for personal use as is your right under Fair Use, DCMA be damned.
Frank, what'd you expect? ![[Wink]](wink.gif) We're talking about PCs here. Name another industry that can sell you incomplete hardware and buggy software, call it a turnkey package ready to plug and play, then demand that you the end user be savvy enough to fix/cleanup/patch the product enough to be able to use it. And if you can't do that, why you're just a "user" (computer geek/nerd pejorative), a whiney/ignorant/lazy/stupid slob unworthy of a superior geek/nerd's time. But they'll take your money just the same, then go in the back room and laugh as they watch you struggle with their half-baked crap.
Me? I'm an end user and I've got work to do. If the geek/nerds want to sell me a tool that they claim will make my job easier, I'm all ears. But if their toys take more time and trouble just to get them to work, let alone learn, than it does for me to do my work, they can take their toys and stick 'em where the sun don't shine. I've got more important/pleasant things to do than morph into a another geek/nerd playing with half-assed toys.
Oops! Time to go geek over some 35/70mm toys, much cooler than any PC. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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David Stambaugh
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From: Eugene, Oregon
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 01-25-2006 02:03 PM
Recently Circuit City and Good Guys have introduced a new sales strategy for PCs. They flat out tell prospective buyers that their brand new PC will be "broken" out of the box, that it will include a bunch of bloatware, will not have all the Windows updates installed, etc. For a fee they will nuke and pave the system with a clean version of the OS, install all the Windows updates, make sure all the device drivers are current and working, etc. What gets me about this is they're right! Most PCs sold as packaged systems are total crap right out of the box, and the end user can't nuke-and-pave even if they want to or know how to because a "real" XP install CD usually isn't included with the new PC. Nor are the necessary device drivers.
It's not just Windows either. My dad just bought a brand new iMac. Since he's on dialup, he had to buy the external modem for it. He ordered all this online because he lives in the sticks. So he gets the new computer, and there's a note with the modem saying it requires OS 10.4.3 (or whatever the OX X version numbers are). Guess what version of the OS is installed on the brand new iMac? You guessed it: 10.4.2. So he calls Apple and they tell him he has to download the 10.4.3 update, burn it to CD, and upgrade the OS himself. USING WHAT????? His old notebook PC that can't get a reliable modem connection faster than about 20kbps. At that rate, it will take him a full day to download the update, if it works at all (he tried, and it failed). And he doesn't have a CD burner and wouldn't know how to use it if he did. So he asked Apple to send him the update on CD, and they said they couldn't do that! WTF! I downloaded the update on a PC and burned it and mailed it to him, but it didn't install the way Apple tech support said it would. He had to call them again and they walked him through it.
What a crock!
So don't ever get the idea that these problems are isolated to WinTel machines. Apple users go through the same crap.
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