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Christopher Duvall
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Is there any DVD freaks out there in Fil-Tech land? If there is, I just got wind of the most aggravating announcemet from Warner and I thought the DVD fanatics should know. Warner has decided to release the 30th Anniversary Edition of Wonka with all the bells and whistles except it will not have anamorphic widewscreen transfer. They feel it does not need the widescreen transfer which they have done before with some of their other "Family" titles. It is apparent that this edition of the DVD with all of the goodies is geared toward adults. The largest fan base for this movie grew up in the 70's and are now adults (like myself). However, they seem to be saying that only children will be watching it and children will prefer full screen/pan&scan. They seem to be contradicting themselves... I just don't get it.

I know that the majority households in America have TV's of the 4:3 variety but when HDTV takes hold, that will all change. I have one now and I my child will never know any other way. Uuggghhh!!! I just feel I am going to get ripped off if I buy it and then Warner releases the 35th Anniversary Edition with an animorphic transfer in 5 years...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

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John Pytlak
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Maybe you could convince Warner Bros. to use the patented "FlikFX" digital recomposition process to fill the screen without resorting to letterbox or pan-and-scan:

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/flikfx/default.htm

I have the VHS FlikFX version of "Lawrence of Arabia", which looks pretty good on my RCA 19-inch Colortrak 2000 TV set.

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Eastman Kodak Company
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Brad Miller
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You won't get ripped off if you don't buy it. Why buy a pan and scan anything? If the studio can't give you the entire picture, then they don't deserve your money.

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John Pytlak
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Some links to articles on letterbox vs. pan-and-scan:
http://www.widescreen.org/
http://rinkworks.com/movies/articles/letterbox.shtml
http://hkfanatic.com/widescreen/
http://www.thecinemalaser.com/archives/1998/chitty-pan-and-scan.htm
http://dvdownunder.com.au/misc/ltbx--ps.htm
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/lbx.htm

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Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
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Sean Weitzel
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If it helps any, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory was not anamorphic to begin with (2.35:1) it's a flat 1.85:1 film. At least, my 35mm 1998 reprint of it is 1.33:1 with extra head and footroom for masking to 1.85:1. Maybe Warner is going to transfer it full-frame with no masking at all.

-sean

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Christopher Duvall
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The real bitch of the whole thing is, I have an animorphic TV which will stretch the image to it's theatrical aspect ratio. The film was probably filmed in full frame then cropped to fit 1.85 at the theatres and opened back up for 4:3 TV's and video. The orginal DVD was animorphic but the transfer was a bit lacking but better than any other version that I have seen. I would have taken the original DVD transfer on the new one on the flip side. I just feel Warner is being greedy or lazy on this issue.

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Charles Everett
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And it's not the only DVD that WB has made only in pan/scan

The DVD for The Bodyguard is pan/scan only (the only letterboxed version is VHS). The DVD for Caddyshack is pan/scan only.

Maybe the prudes in AOL Time Warner corporate are still annoyed by Marilyn Manson.

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Jesse Skeen
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I'm pleased that so many people are upset about this. I always hate it when something comes out only in pan and scan, or gets edited for legal reasons or otherwise- I still refuse to buy the "Wayne's World" movie because the scene where he tries playing "Stairway to Heaven" was changed due to rights to that song, and I was really mad that Disney changed allegedly offensive lyrics in "Aladdin" for the video version. "Aladdin" of course became one of the biggest-selling videos of all time, so I thought so much for us purists!
I've been satisfied with the DVD format so far except for the occasional stupid things like this that come up; this was why many laserdisc fans were afraid of DVD coming out though- while they promised in the beginning everything would be available in BOTH formats, people were afraid they'd eventually go with just pan and scan, like Warner did on many of their first DVD titles, even ones which were available in widescreen on laserdisc. I bought Space Jam, Vegas Vacation and My Fellow Americans on LD since the DVDs were only in pan and scan. Now that they've quit making LDs, Warner puts out the Pokemon movies in pan and scan on DVD and I don't even HAVE a widescreen LD to fall back on!
I think it's really insulting they feel "Kids' movies" don't deserve the same attention to quality that everything else does.

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Steven Pickles
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quote:
I think it's really insulting they feel "Kids' movies" don't deserve the same attention to quality that everything else does.

Disney I believe does a very good job producing their films on DVD. The disc usually contains a dts soundtack and some of them have both widescreen and TV formats.


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Evans A Criswell
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quote:
Maybe Warner is going to transfer it full-frame with no masking at all.

That appears to be the case. Go to The Big Picture DVD and read their review. On the news page, they have a comparison between an image from the old transfer vs. the new one. They have lots of images from the new transfer in their review, as well. I'd still prefer an anamorphic 16:9 transfer that presents the image as it was shown in theatres, though.


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Christopher Duvall
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Steve is right, Disney started off really slow in the DVD format but hey have done a 180 and have put out some of the best discs lately. They have been putting out double disc set with a ton of extras, multiple sound tracks including DTS and anamorphic picture. I have bought all of the Disney theatrical released animated titles and I get impressed more with each title they release. Major kudos to Disney...

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John Wilson
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Go here to sign the petition to get Warners to go back to their original intention and release it in widescreen.

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Christopher Duvall
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Hey John,
I have been doing some reading on Region coding of DVD's in Australia. I have heard that the government is trying to get the studios to drop the coding because they feel the studios are using it for price hiking. Is there any truth to it?

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John Wilson
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Which government? US or Australia?

The coding is necessary as we sometimes don't get films for months, even nearly a year in some cases after the US. Case in point: Nurse Betty opens here in about two weeks.

Some region 1 dvd's now have some sort of encoding on them (The Patriot for eg.) to stop multi-region units from playing them (before a certain date?)

I myself have not got a DVD yet...but have decided to bite the bullet and get one when Moulin Rouge comes out in November. Early Christmas present perhaps?

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John Pytlak
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More and more special features are being added to DVD releases. Take for example the upcoming release of "Shrek" as outlined on:
http://www.davisdvd.com/News/daily_news.htm

"Our friends over at DVD Shrine have scooped the extras
on Dreamworks' Shrek 2-disc special edition. With over
11 hours of bonus features (!), this is going to be one
sweet set.

DISC 1: U-DUB-IT: Shrek's Revoice Studio (a DVD first!);
Behind-the-Scenes Featurette; This Way to Play! (Over
6 Hours of Fun!): Game Swamp (Over 15 Interactive
Games and Activities) Shrek's Music Hall Favorite Scenes
Selection Donkey's Tale Read-Along; Hidden Fun Facts
and More!

DISC 2: Filmmakers' Commentary; "The Tech of Shrek"; Storyboard Pitch of Outrageous Deleted
Scenes; Technical Goofs; Hilarious International Talent Reel; Character Design Progression Reel;
Playing Hints for Xbox Shrek Video Game (only available on this DVD!); "Shrek in the Swamp
Karaoke Dance Party" and More!

In addition, the filmmakers have created brand-new animation for the disc's menu system as
well as a "hilarious extended ending created exclusively for the DVD." Shrek will be available
November 2nd with a retail of $26.99."


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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
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