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Author Topic: Star Wars (request) Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 03-21-2003 11:56 PM                     Hello all. Requesting information on Star Wars in all of its incarnations. I am a member on an a/v forum and no one can ever agree on details for Star Wars on 35mm, or 70mm for that matter. I figured I'd ask people who might actually "really" know. One thing about home theater folks, they think they know film more than they actually do. Thanks! AJ Garman  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 03-22-2003 12:31 AM                    I am going to recomend that Brad may want to move this to another area. I have a feeling it would be more benafical because there may be some conflicting info for this title and will spawn chit chat.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-22-2003 01:12 AM                     This has been discussed before, inparticularly things like when "episode 4" was added to the crawl. Try searching the FHF or Yak.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 03-22-2003 01:16 AM                     Thanks Brad. Sorry, I'm a newbie...didn't think about searching the other forums.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-22-2003 03:51 PM                     ...For any of you who are interested in signing a petition to preserve the original trilogy -- that is the original versions of the original trilogy -- then this is a site you should visit. How effective it will be is anyone's guess but one thing's for sure -- we can guess what will happen if nobody tries. I'm reading that George Lucas intends to modify the originals even further for their eventual DVD release so that they match the new ones a little more closely. How much would you be willing to bet that he's gonna milk these new versions for all they're worth and then release the "classic editions" further on up the road to sucker die-hard fans into buying the same thing over and over. Truth be told, I'm sorry that I ever was a fan. In other news... Lucas has announced plans to augment the Indiana Jones trilogy as well. He has already renamed the first one "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" for the eagerly awaited DVD release. Additionally, the original installments will feature a digitally enhanced Harrison Ford in the interest of preserving continuity when the recently-announced fourth film is finally added to the...erm...trilogy.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-22-2003 04:24 PM                        One of the nice thing about collecting movies on laserdics and DVD is the opportunity to acquire them as soon as they go on sale. I already have in my collection the original "STAR WARS" triology in a laserdisc box set exactly as they were originally released to theatres and another box collection of the triology with the new digital corrections the way they were re released to cinemas a few years ago with a new 5.1 Dolby Digital sound mix. Now that I have both the original and the altered versions, Lucas can take his time and do whatever he wants to do with them because I already have the originals. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 03-22-2003 04:30 PM                        I wouldn`t be surprised if Jar-Jar made an appearance in Indiana Jones IV.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-22-2003 04:31 PM                     I have the original STAR WARS movies on laser as well but one day in the future it's gonna be a real pain to find a player -- and I don't have that many LD's left. I'm don't want to have to keep a LD player just for these three movies. What happens if/when these discs succomb to laser rot? I don't plan on waging war on eBay and shelling out $$$ to buy them as a "serious collector." And furthermore, I'm not thrilled about side changes or disc changes.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 03-22-2003 04:34 PM                        It shouldn`t be too difficult these days to find someone who could record and burn the movies on DVDs.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-22-2003 06:32 PM                     Okay, the guilt has been gnawing at me... I made up the part about digitally enhancing Harrison Ford but according to The Digital Bits Website the name of the first Indy movie has been changed. They even have a photo of the DVD artwork. Sorry if I caused anybody to PANIC!!!  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 03-22-2003 07:47 PM                     quote: He has already renamed the first one "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" for the eagerly awaited DVD release. The title was changed a few years ago for a VHS re-release...at least on the packaging. Having owned (and still do) the excellent 1992 remastered laserdisc edition, I saw no reason to buy or rent or borrow the VHS edition. Edited post to add Star Wars data. quote: Requesting information on Star Wars in all of its incarnations. I am a member on an a/v forum and no one can ever agree on details for Star Wars on 35mm, or 70mm for that matter. quote: This has been discussed before, inparticularly things like when "episode 4" was added to the crawl. Try searching the FHF or Yak. Are you seeking print specs, or are you trying to account for every minute difference that may exist in the numerous versions of the movie? Some of the content differences were mentioned in the "When did Star Wars become Episode IV?" thread mentioned earlier. If specific differences are what you are seeking then you'll have to ask a more specific question. I did a search here but couldn't locate any print spec info, so if it's print specs you're after, here's some of them. Others feel free to add to them (and move back to Feature Info & Trailer Attachments if desired). 1977 release: 70mm 20th Century Fox "Full Width" (2.21:1) Dolby A (41 or 42) Six reels 121 minutes Deluxe Lab (print) Todd-AO (sounding) 35mm 20th Century Fox Scope (2.39:1) Dolby A Six reels 121 minutes Deluxe Lab 35mm 20th Century Fox Scope (2.39:1) Mono Six reels 121 minutes Deluxe Lab • There were also a limited number of IB Tech and 4-track mag prints made • multiple audio mixes were made - initial batch of prints struck have a different soundtrack compared with prints released after the opening (mostly minor non-sync dialogue and sound effects differences) • post-Empire re-release prints have a revised opening scroll 1997 Special Edition: 35mm 20th Century Fox Scope (2.39:1) SR/SRD/DTS/SDDS Six reels 125 minutes Deluxe Lab Trailer: The Empire Strikes Back • a 70mm-DTS print was made for special screening(s)  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 03-23-2003 12:15 AM                    I could have sworn that all the Star Wars films had seven reels. Of course it has been a while since I handles one.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 03-23-2003 12:50 AM                     Hello all. That is the gist of what I was looking for Michael. However, does anyone know of some of the differences amongst the different versions? I figured some folks on here have surely handled some of these "various" versions of Star Wars. As for Daryl's comment, I too thought there was7 reels. I thought I heard Rick McCallum say something about it or something. Any thoughts? AJ Garman  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 03-23-2003 01:38 AM                     quote: I could have sworn that all the Star Wars films had seven reels. Star Wars and Empire were six. Jedi was seven. I'm pretty sure the reel changes in the longer Special Editions were in the same locations, except for the transition from reel two to three in Star Wars. quote: does anyone know of some of the differences amongst the different versions? I figured some folks on here have surely handled some of these "various" versions of Star Wars. How many versions are you trying to account for? Just theatrical? Or home video as well? Originals vs. Special Editions? (We could post for days comparing originals to Special Editions, which I'd rather not do because I find the original differences to be far more compelling.) The problem here is that time is an enemy and memory is not a science. Not to mention that another huge problem is that I feel the Internet is a breeding ground for false information. Arguments and conflicting information will forever permeate discussions of this type (but that doesn't mean it isn't still fun to discuss!). For example, people still cannot seem to agree on when Episode IV was added or the number of theaters the film opened in or whether certain scenes were present. I see erroneous or conflicting references to these things in print and certainly on the Internet often. Having said that, here are a few items of interest concerning the original theatrical versions: There were at least two and possibly as many as five English-language sound mixes for the original theatrical release. Without being able to identify which versions were which some of the more "obvious" differences include: • an extra C-3PO line in the Death Star control room scene describing the location of the tractor beam • a Stormtrooper asks to "Close the blast doors" while chasing after Han and Chewie in a Death Star corridor (the presence of the line makes the ensuing "Open the blast doors" line funnier) • Aunt Beru's lines were looped by a different actress in at least one version • in at least one version a Stormtrooper's line is slightly different following knocking on the locked door that R2 and 3PO are hiding behind in Mos Eisley • in some versions Luke has a line "Blast it Wedge, where are you?" during the Death Star raid -- in other versions the line is "Blast it Biggs, where are you?" • a multitude of sound effects and intercom voices are either different takes or completely different sounds throughout some versions A couple points of controversy: • many will claim that some early prints included the Luke/Biggs reunion scene in the Rebel hanger • some will claim that the scene where Chewie scares the Mouse Robot on the Death Star was not present in some early prints • An Episode IV: A New Hope subtitle was added to the head of the opening scroll at a certain point in time. This is a point of controversy. If you read the "When did Star Wars Become Episode IV?" thread in Film-Yak you can figure out what year I think this occured. Others, naturally, disagree/remember it differently. • when the Episode IV tag was added, the entire scroll was revised slightly to enable it to remain in sync with the music. In other words, two lines were added but spacing adjustments were made to enable the scroll to still begin and end at the same time as before. The word "rebel" was capitalized (Rebel) in one version and was lowercase (rebel) in the other • in some early versions Han fires first.  |  IP: Logged Christian Appelt Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 505 From: Frankfurt, Germany Registered: Dec 2001 posted 03-23-2003 03:46 PM                     That http://www.originaltrilogy.com/ website is interesting, but they only want Lucas to preserve the first three films on DVD. I found no mention of film prints, so we will never see anything on the big screen except the so-called Special Editions which I detested. There is a fine book called THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR by Raymond Bouzereau that has fascinating fact about Director`s Cuts, censorship and multiple versions. The book says that when Steven Spielberg made the CLOSE ENCOUNTERS special edition, he demanded that both old and new versions remain available for theatre booking. I have no idea whether they kept the promise... But I cannot imagine that anybody will Lucas make change his mind about the original versions - but maybe his dark empire will crumble when a Hobbit throws the Master DVD into the Fiery Mountain?  |  IP: Logged

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