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Author Topic: How do you store acetate and estar trailers? Jonathan Smith Expert Film Handler Posts: 201 From: Youngstown, OH Registered: Jan 2010 posted 03-09-2010 11:05 AM                     Do you store them EMULSION IN or EMULSION OUT? I recently had the horrific experience of watching some of my prized trailer collection and having an acetate trailer jam up the following polyester trailer of "Pearl Harbor," burning through thankfully only the credits. So should I store head or tail out soundtrack up or soundtrack down to avoid an obnoxious reverse bend in the film? Also, is there any amount of time they should be stored before winding to prevent vinegar syndrome? I want these trailers to outlast me. . .  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-09-2010 01:02 PM                     Heard emulsion in - be like when acetate prints came in cans that needs to be rewound. Store items like this in a controlled 50% humidity atmosphere.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-09-2010 04:19 PM                     Emulsion-In and I'm sticking to it. All prints should be aired out at least once per year (rewound back and forth). Steve  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-09-2010 05:17 PM                     Nope, emulsion out...unless you like your films to warp and shrink. Steve is using 1960's data. Also don't rewind them twice. Only rewind them one direction. The head of the print should alternate between being stored against the core vs. the outside of the reel.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-09-2010 05:28 PM                     Emulsion in  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-09-2010 05:42 PM                        Don't store trailers on trailer cores; they will eventually curl and won't be able to be focused properly. Either splice them together onto reels or get some 3" or 4" diameter cores and use those. I don't know the official recommendation about this, but I doubt that it would be a good idea to store both acetate and polyester film together on the same core/reel. When nitrate and acetate were mixed in the same can in the 1950s, the nitrate would be fine after many years, but the acetate would have gone vinegar. You really want to store acetate in either sealed Kodak lab cans with "molecular sieves" in the can or in plastic vented archival cans.  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 03-09-2010 06:09 PM                        Hmmm. I've got one trailer that dates from 1985 - don't know for sure but I assume it is acetate. The other handful of trailers I have are all of late-'90s or newer vintage. They are all spliced and stored together on one 4" core (head-up, emulsion-out), located either in my room or in the refrigerator. It is in a baggie, no can. I haven't screened it or even wound it since probably 2003. I wonder if I should separate the assumed-acetate one to its own core...  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 03-09-2010 06:20 PM                     Alternate head out/tail out and emulsion in/emulsion out. Do this once every 6 months or sooner if you are able, and keep the prints in a cool place with no temperature swings.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-09-2010 07:06 PM                     1960s nothing...using my own data from actual use. I have no particular problem with only winding once to alternate head/tail though. Steve  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-09-2010 07:19 PM                     OK, I know how to solve this whole thing. Here is how to store your trailers, and films: send them to Bruce Hansen Stone Mountain Georgia. (Sorry, could help it)  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 03-09-2010 07:30 PM                     Ok - but how would HE store them.  |  IP: Logged David Kilderry Master Film Handler Posts: 355 From: Melbourne Australia Registered: Sep 1999 posted 03-10-2010 12:00 AM                        Just last week I ran though a few old trailers. Nine to Five was first, then Divine Madness, which was a little curly at the end and "bang" it went in the payout, just before a prized Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines trailer. Don't leave old trailers wound too tight for too long and run them and wind them frequently. No comments on the first couple of trailers please - I recently acquired them in a pile of stuff! David  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Worthing Master Film Handler Posts: 384 From: Hereford, UK Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-10-2010 04:12 AM                     quote: Steve Guttag Emulsion-In quote: Ian Parfrey was the last to post emulsion out quote: David Kilderry was the last to post in quote: Ian Parfrey was the last to post out You shake it all about  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 03-10-2010 04:31 AM                     You do the Hokey Pokey And switch to Dig-i-tal Thats what it's all about.  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Smith Expert Film Handler Posts: 201 From: Youngstown, OH Registered: Jan 2010 posted 03-29-2010 08:30 AM                     So I should split the difference and store half EM. out and half EM. in? Should it be EM. out for acetate and EM. in for estar (polyester)? I think my biggest problem, though,was storing them on shitty cores. BTW, anyone know where I can get the U-hubs and some of those protective cardboard bands on the cheap? I guess I need to invest in them if I don't want my collection to further-deteriorate.  |  IP: Logged

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